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The club's handling of the Partey allegations

Sicario2

JazzG fuck me at this stage Kieran Tierney is going to resign as well 😂

Don Pacifico Berta was at Atletico when Partey was there so perhaps they have a good relationship.

samthegooner

I know I am going to regret wading again into this cesspool of a thread but some of you really need to educate yourselves on Sexual Assault and why criminal convictions are so rare compared to the number of attacks. So if your defense of Partey is that if he was guilty, he would've been charged by now or the club wouldn't be playing him if they knew he's guilty, I would highly recommend you read this article: https://victimscommissioner.org.uk/news/the-distressing-truth-is-that-if-you-are-raped-in-britain-today-your-chances-of-seeing-justice-are-slim/

And while false accusations certainly do occur, the prevalence of them is vastly overreported. This study (https://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/resources/False-allegations-briefing-2021.pdf) reports that false accusations made up just 3% of total accusations. I am not discounting that folks here may know people who have been falsely accused and definitely empathize with the damage that such accusations would cause. But the reality is that most claims are true and it's just extremely hard for SA victims to find justice currently. I have a really hard time believing that the club has concrete proof that Partey is innocent and instead is just making decisions based on the legal system and avoiding lawsuits from Partey and his legal team. While I'd prefer them to take a harder line stance, it's at least understandable to avoid litigation. However, extending their relationship with the player with all of the accusations (and it's not just one woman) is beyond tone deaf. I hope they listen to the backlash against the report yesterday and make the prudent decision this summer in severing our ties with the player, regardless of his performance on the pitch.

Tam

samthegooner And while false accusations certainly do occur, the prevalence of them is vastly overreported. This study (https://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/resources/False-allegations-briefing-2021.pdf) reports that false accusations made up just 3% of total accusations.

Not only are false accusations over-reported, they make up just 3% of accusations which are reported. Various studies of the underreporting of sexual offences estimate only between 15-25% of sexual crimes are reported by the victims (https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-03/LVC%20Rape%20Policy%20Paper%202024.pdf) so the 3% is a small percentage of a small percentage.

Look closer at the link above and you’ll see the numbers of charges arising from criminal investigations is very small, and the number of charges made in the same period as the offence occurred is even smaller again. So what we’re seeing with Partey is not an exception, it is absolutely the norm in a society in which victims of sexual violence do not come forward because the justice systems is not able to fully support them and convict their attackers.

The facts are out there for those who wish to understand them.

Gurgen

JazzG Keep Jorginho, fuck Partey off

RowJimmy

Gurgen
This.

flobaba

Not enough people care.

Tam

flobaba I know, but doesn't mean ignorance should go unchallenged.

Sicario2

QuincyAbeyie

This makes me feel much better about not winning the league, so there's that.

Qwiss

USArsenal strictly football Partey cannot be relied upon to stay fit and earns far too much to be kept as a back up.

Claudius

Qwiss forgetting all his rubbish… he’s actually quite cheap. It’s £10m for one season of a guy who was one of our best players this year.
Anyone else we bring in will have a transfer fee layered onto whatever they earn. So their annualised cost to company will be much much more than Partey.

Sicario2

Qwiss if one was fat in 2023 but lost loads of weight in 2024 and maintained weight due to healthy lifestyle and fitness in 2025 would you still call them fat?

Tam

Claudius That could apply to any player brought in to replace an existing squad member. It is not an argument to stick with what you have otherwise you would never sign players.

And I say could - it's entirely possible that an annualised cost is lower depending on wages and transfer fee.

Qwiss

Claudius £200k a week isn't cheap by any stretch. The suggestion of giving him a new deal, which would have to include a raise if we are being realistic, is to stay as a back up. We have an issue with paying back up players too much already. No need to exacerbate the issue. Unless you think he's taking a pay cut due the negative value of his image rights now.

Sicario2 that's a very stupid analogy.

Claudius

Tam I’m just stating the facts. A player out of contract is quite affordable. Why do you think Barca and Atletico are sniffing around as well? He’s played over 3000 minutes at a top team this season.

daredevil

Sicario2

Yes

Claudius

Guys, sorry if this isn't clear. While a player is in contract, from an FFP perspective, you are bearing two costs - the contract cost and the capital cost of his transfer fee. Partey is out of contract, so there will be no contract portion on the income statement. (separate from the cash flow impact which is dependent on the timing of the transfer fee payments - in Partey's case 100% was paid on day 1, but with some players only 50 or 60% is paid on day 1).

So next year, our midfielders will look like

Partey: 10m salary+ 0m amortization = 10m pounds total
Merino 4.5 + 7.5m = 12m pounds
Rice 12.4m + 20m = 32.4m pounds
Odegaard 12.4m + 3m = 15.4m

So while Partey has the 3rd highest salary he will be far and away the cheapeast player on our income statement next year. from an FFP standpoint, this is a no-brainer.

Qwiss

Claudius transfer fee is a sunk cost. This amortization doesn't me after in the context of this discussion. Rice's transfer fee can't be taken like that without acknowledging his value as an asset. Parteys would be close to zero if we resigned him.

Doc

If Zubimendi or whoever comes in and fails (or needs a season to adapt) and Partey / Jorginho leave, that's a massive blow to are title hopes next season, drop off is not the same in any other position, and Id argue the 6 is one of, if not the most important position to the way we play... can only assume his off field issues are skewing the perception of his performances this season (which is fair enough), no doubt in my mind he has been absolute quality on the pitch this season

Claudius

Doc it's hard to separate the player from his off-field business but i think he's beenamongst our very best with Saka, Rice, Gabriel, Raya, and MLS

Tam

Doc and Id argue the 6 is one of, if not the most important position to the way we play

To be a bit facetious for a second, is the 6 more or less important than the goalkeeper, which is one of, if not the most important position to the way we play? And are the 6 and goalkeeper more or less important than the centre backs, which is one of, if not the most important positions to the way we play? And are the 6 and goalkeeper and centrebacks more or less important than the full backs, which is one of, if not the most important positions to the way we play? And are the 6 and goalkeeper and centrebacks and the full backs more or less important than the 8, which is one of, if not the most important positions to the way we play?

Tam

It is entirely clear.

But you're moving the goalposts.

The point was not that he would be the cheapest of our current options. It was that £200k is not cheap, especially for a player who is likely to play less minutes in coming years as he ages.

Regardless of that, we don't know what Arteta's vision for the midfield is beyond Jorginho moving to Brazil or potential criminal trials. We may not bring in a £50m player commanding £250k per week. A younger player on a moderate fee and wage could likely only be marginally more in terms of annual cost.

Claudius

Tam maybe we were talking about different things, but i always think about the cost the company cares about. in this instance, Partey's goes from being 20m pounds a season to 10m pounds a season overnight which is a big difference financially. so i have not moved any goalposts.

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