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Hello Zinchenko

Doc

Kel Varnsen wrote:
Doc wrote:
Looks like he is one of those that needs a couple of games to get up to speed, lack of physicality and speed are a bit exposed when he isnt.. Develops our game really well though when he is on it.

He is a great playmaker, but the key issue is his defensive positioning when we have the ball and go forward (offensive marking). He protects the most vulnerable channels through the middle and reads the game superbly.

Don't think he will ever be a great defender but if he can stay fit I'm sure we would see a significant improvement on that front, he's a smart guy. But that my biggest issue with him, his injury record is pretty worrying even at city.

I unfortunately agree with KTs time here being numbered now unless he accepts a marginal role. I still love a traditional full back but in our system the inverted style is just better. Maybe he can adapt somehow

@[deleted] - completely agree, have been thinking about this for a while.

Have come to appreciate watching the system for a while now, how convenient it is for us defensively. We play a high press game and the major danger we face is when there is a turn over.

The central position is initially much more protected but also the fullback can fallback into position much easier from the central area rather than the wide fwd area. Sure it can work the other way round and you have the CMs cover the fullbacks like we used to but it the heat and chaos of the game, the simpler solution will always be much better

Bernard Woolley

I suspect we will see a lot more packed, narrow defenses against us after the WC and next season once more opposing teams have had a chance to study the system more in detail. We haven't really seen this team play against the low blocks of the likes of Allardyce's Bolton / Blackburn who practically played 4 CBs (or at least 3) in the back 4, partly because it's gone entirely out of fashion (the only time I can think of was the Sprs game once they went down to 10 men). That will be something for us to adjust to since the vast majority of the attacking 5 prefer to play in and around the box and there is no real natural provider of width in the system (maybe White can do it as he showed against Sprs but that was against 10 men and it's perhaps not his first instinct). I know that the 2 games we have had the most trouble in was opponents pressing us like mad (Leeds and PSV), but most days (at least when Partey is on his game), we have shown an ability to handle that, so a low block might be the next thing.

Kel Varnsen

deardevil wrote:
It's only a matter of time before the other clubs catch on and start employing inverted fullbacks. Not only do they significantly increase ball retention, circulation and progression in the middle of the pitch, they're better place to thwart counterattacks when positioned centrally rather than out wide.

Maybe the tradition of marauding fullbacks and Liverpool's success with theirs has stopped the trend from being more widely adopted.

Not that easy to do. You need full backs who have the skill and conditioning to basically play as a lb and deep playmaker.

KingslandBarge

Based on a refresh indication in his stint against West Ham, I think he could deputise suitably for Partey if need be this season. Or at least in some combination with Xhaka or Elneny, which is a relief. Needs to be available to play.

Gazza M

Tierney really looks washed, sadly. his pace and crossing ability seems to have deteriorated. looks like he plays a bit within himself to avoid an injury. zinny is the more useful asset in our setup, so I hope he's healthy from now on

QuincyAbeyie

Has to be somewhat thick to do a Piers Uncensored interview.

JazzG

I think in a similar situation to Trent at Liverpool, both liabilities in defence but the change the dynamic of the team going forward. Trent more with his final pass whereas Zinchenko with helping us control games.

However against tricky wide players Zinchenko can get badly exposed so we need to find a way to counter that,

Gazza M

JazzG nice comp. havertz is going to be devastating on the end of this kind of passing. it breaks the structure of the defense and gets them backpedalling which is where he can shine

Kel Varnsen

JazzG

He is invaluable to the team. His ability to progress the ball between the lines easily outweighs his defensive lapses. Furthermore, with Saliba back we'll improve defensively.

Panda

Can't argue with his passes through the lines to be fair.

We can't rely on him to stay fit a full season though so rotation definitely required with him.

lorddulaarsenal

I recon our points per game increases when he’s in the eleven. For me he’s the player that took our possession play to the next level

RocktheCasbah

lorddulaarsenal absolutely mate

I see on the Insta Zinny's missus has given birth today. Congrats to them both!

JazzG

Mirth

JazzG never gets old

KingslandBarge

Can't stand Rio talking about Arsenal and Man United and dissappointed by prospects of having to hear more of him next season. Also find Zinchenko more endearing from these circulating clips. However, I say to Zinchenko that it is a fucking problem occasionally. Martinelli 1v2 in attack as Zinny plants himself in a non-threatening zone in the middle, Gabriel 1v2 in defense during counters as Zinnny tries to plug back in. However, I appreciate the team and manager consider this setup to produce net benefits and net success, and it was perhaps quite an impressive form of implementation to start. Hopefully more refined this season.

Qwiss

KingslandBarge I suspect Havertz will be asked to support Martinelli more when Zinny gets in those midifield positions this year.

KingslandBarge

Yep he should be fine.
RocktheCasbah
Yeah the body language too may divide some people. I like to think we’re all in unison about supporting him and wanting this move to succeed. For Arsenal, for him, but also to absolutely stick it to those Chelsea and Man United fans. At the same time, would be good to be as real as we can about where he is coming up short, even if one considers putting it down to a lack of confidence/feeling disempowered.

I was playing cricket and only caught parts of the game in the pavilion. From the highlights, I don’t think he made any particularly special runs on Sunday. He was where he was by default and he couldn't put away two regular/moderate difficulty chances. Fancy Nketiah would have but no worries, we won.

I am kind of keen to see the occasional 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-2-2 shapes in early possession with Havertz+Trossard up front or as second striker and Raya distributing. Route 1 cunning.

Qwiss definitely. Would be good to see them switching seamlessly too.

JazzG

Interestingly he says in that interview with Rio he knows that he is weak defensively and needs to improve. I suppose it is good he acknowledges that. He is never going to be a defensive monster but he can't defend the way he does right now.

lorddulaarsenal

Should play him in the Xhaka role and Tomi left back

naz

lorddulaarsenal not a bad suggestion. Maybe mikel is waiting for partey to come back so he can screw around with rb again

Daz

I'd be curious to see how that went too

JazzG

I wonder if Timber had been available that was one of the plans.

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