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Hello Zinchenko

Qwiss

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert wrote:
Should have got Lisandro.

Too expensive for a player who wouldn't make our first XI.

QuincyAbeyie

Reckon he would've made it the same way Zinchenko did.

goon

Yeah I think it was mentioned at the time that we were pursuing him as a LB option - so it's a safe assumption that he'd have been utilised in the same way.

JazzG

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert wrote:
Should have got Lisandro.

He clearly chose Man Utd over us so not much we can do.

I'm happy we got Zinchenko though, our general and attacking play has been massively increased by him. Lisandro is better defensively but I don't think our general play would have improved as much. He could have filled in for Partey better though as well which is something we lack in the squad. Main problem with Zinchenko is his injuries!

Qwiss

If he'd started the season he'd probably have been dropped if he put in performances like he did against City and Brentford. For all the criticism some of our defenders get none of them have been destroyed like that.

lorddulaarsenal

I heart this guy so much

jones

He was poor today tbf. Looked very rusty and not match fit, big call to start him straight away and doesn't bode well for Tierney.

goon

He was decent and it's clear to see what he adds in terms of ball retention. Just got caught a couple of times committing himself on the floor.

JazzG

Looked rusty but wouldn’t say he was poor, good for him to get some minutes today.

Doc

Looks like he is one of those that needs a couple of games to get up to speed, lack of physicality and speed are a bit exposed when he isnt.. Develops our game really well though when he is on it.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

We can always be got at down our left when he plays but he brings so much on the ball although obviously not fit today.

FWIW I thought Tierney looked good when he came on.

MistaT

Surprised he started, and I don’t think it was the right call. Looked really rusty and was responsible for their best two chances.

I’d have started Tierney (on the back of a goal scoring game) and then brought on Zinchenko to control the game.

Kel Varnsen

MistaT wrote:
Surprised he started, and I don’t think it was the right call. Looked really rusty and was responsible for their best two chances.

I’d have started Tierney (on the back of a goal scoring game) and then brought on Zinchenko to control the game.

Tierney doesn't fit into the team anymore. He is an outside left back and his positioning is all wrong. He won't get into the team unless both Tomiyasu and Zinchenko is injured.

Kel Varnsen

Doc wrote:
Looks like he is one of those that needs a couple of games to get up to speed, lack of physicality and speed are a bit exposed when he isnt.. Develops our game really well though when he is on it.

He is a great playmaker, but the key issue is his defensive positioning when we have the ball and go forward (offensive marking). He protects the most vulnerable channels through the middle and reads the game superbly.

goon

Yeah, Tierney is done here long term, even as a back up he doesn't help with continuity. He's someone good to bring on to shore up games but he's too good for that sort of role. He'll be gone by the summer I reckon.

lorddulaarsenal

That’s why I recon we wanted both Lisandro and Zinchenko

jones

Kel Varnsen wrote:
Doc wrote:
Looks like he is one of those that needs a couple of games to get up to speed, lack of physicality and speed are a bit exposed when he isnt.. Develops our game really well though when he is on it.

He is a great playmaker, but the key issue is his defensive positioning when we have the ball and go forward (offensive marking). He protects the most vulnerable channels through the middle and reads the game superbly.

I like Zinchenko but his defensive positioning isn't great imo. Wanted an upgrade on Tierney for a while now because of how brittle he is and his poor ability on the ball, Zinchenko is a very good replacement against most teams but in CL ties I suspect he'll be targeted.

Clrnc

We need Tierney. Basically we still need a proper fullback and he is the only one we have.

Even Pep still plays Walker.

deardevil

It's only a matter of time before the other clubs catch on and start employing inverted fullbacks. Not only do they significantly increase ball retention, circulation and progression in the middle of the pitch, they're better place to thwart counterattacks when positioned centrally rather than out wide.

Maybe the tradition of marauding fullbacks and Liverpool's success with theirs has stopped the trend from being more widely adopted.

RowJimmy

Liverpool, City and Arsenal are all 2-3-5 when in possession. Liverpool have "midfielders" in the 3 and "fullbacks" in the wide positions in the 5; we have "fullbacks" in the 3 and "midfielders" in the channels in the 5. The space it leaves for the opposition to attack is the same.

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