It does. Fans and the media basically hounded out Emery. If the media decides to sink their teeth into the discontent brewing and start to actually put proper pressure on him, he’ll be forced out. He bought a lot of good will with the FA Cup win, his charisma and being an ex Arsenal player. But the leeway isn’t unlimited.

I mean there is very little to put in the positive column for Arteta. He had no record and nothing he's done says that he's going anywhere at the moment. That's why he's not rated and has not really unreasonable.

flobaba wrote:

It does. Fans and the media basically hounded out Emery. If the media decides to sink their teeth into the discontent brewing and start to actually put proper pressure on him, he’ll be forced out. He bought a lot of good will with the FA Cup win, his charisma and being an ex Arsenal player. But the leeway isn’t unlimited.

Fans have wanted Arteta gone since December. And yet here we are.

Until they stop filling the stadium and buying merch, owners aren't going to care.

You would be surprised but social media survey and athletic survey shows that Arteta has got the majority of fans backing for some reason.

This forum isn't representative.

He will find out soon enough when the season starts and fans are in attendance.

season starts tomorrow and hes still here, so this summer was a failure.

i think back to the end of the wenger era, and my god i wanted him gone, but id take him back now if they had just forced him to actually spend money on the players he wanted. we've been spending huge sums now, surely he'd have picked out worthwhile players. his football, even at the end of his run, was miles better than anything we've played under arteta.

im sad

mdgoonah41 wrote:

season starts tomorrow and hes still here, so this summer was a failure.

i think back to the end of the wenger era, and my god i wanted him gone, but id take him back now if they had just forced him to actually spend money on the players he wanted. we've been spending huge sums now, surely he'd have picked out worthwhile players. his football, even at the end of his run, was miles better than anything we've played under arteta.

im sad

Understand the sentiment but in reality I don't think AW was prepared to change his ways or to relinquish his control or his philosophies including transfers, intuitive playing style & player development via playing time.
Simple truth is the modern monied game had left him & his ideals behind.

awooga83 wrote:

I mean there is very little to put in the positive column for Arteta. He had no record and nothing he's done says that he's going anywhere at the moment. That's why he's not rated and has not really unreasonable.

This.

I also think the survey is possibly a snap shot of how we are feeling in regards to the football seen last season, and that this summer has done nothing to suggest anything is likely to change.  I also think we are missing out in terms of player interest to come here not only because of no UEFA football, but also because of the lack of credibility in our Manager, TD/DoF, the BoD and the owners.

it's as if he hasn't won an FA Cup in his first half season.

mdgoonah41 wrote:

season starts tomorrow and hes still here, so this summer was a failure.

i think back to the end of the wenger era, and my god i wanted him gone, but id take him back now if they had just forced him to actually spend money on the players he wanted. we've been spending huge sums now, surely he'd have picked out worthwhile players. his football, even at the end of his run, was miles better than anything we've played under arteta.

im sad

Revisionism.

Look at the players we had to cancel the contracts of in January.  Look at the players who are still here that we've struggled to shift (some of them for a while). They all happened under Wenger's watch. Many of them for big money. 

Agreed Don.

I know it's a wildly unpopular opinion, but I think the main problem at Arsenal is that we just can't sell the players we don't want, which means we can't buy the players we do. That's partly a legacy of the terrible job Wenger et al did in his final few seasons, but it's also because the market is on its knees, and Edu and Arteta have made some bad calls.

We all know that we have Leno, Bellerin, Kolasinac, Xhaka, Willian, Pépé, Aubameyang, and Lacazette - they don't fit. Arteta has dropped all of them at one time or another, hinted about most of them publicly that they're not good fits for what he wants to do, and yet we can't find a club anywhere that will pay anything more for them than an insultingly low fee or any fee at all in most cases.

A couple of those are on Edu and Arteta, Willian is the obvious one that they got badly wrong. Aubameyang and his new contract is another, but the guy was having a world class season at the time, with the benefit of hindsight I think that was a bad mistake by Edu and Arteta. But then even then there were no offers that we know of when he had only a year left, we were in the midst of pandemic football at that time, and they would have been absilutely slaughtered if he walked away for free or agreed a pre-contract with one of the big boys in the January. Then there's Xhaka, and time will tell on that one. It looks like the wrong move to me because I think he's a hindrance to the football Arteta wants to play and we should have sold for the packet of crisps Roma were no doubt offering. So that might be another bad move by them.

But there are lots of others in the squad that are not on them, and they've already shifted a good number of them too. It's beeb a very, very bad time to try and overhaul the squad, that's the main point I'm making. The worst time in the history of modern football in fact.

Wenger exhausted years at the end there proving his earlier prudence had been misguided. After the many times we could've spent relatively low and been in position for a major trophy, we then spent high and declined.

Agreed it's a bad time to try to do this (purge and rebuild), but I still get the feeling we're more about watching our financial commitments than we are about seizing the opportunity in terms of either value transfers for a quality rebuild, or the opportunity for this season.

Ricky1985 wrote:

Agreed Don.

I know it's a wildly unpopular opinion, but I think the main problem at Arsenal is that we just can't sell the players we don't want, which means we can't buy the players we do. That's partly a legacy of the terrible job Wenger et al did in his final few seasons, but it's also because the market is on its knees, and Edu and Arteta have made some bad calls.

We all know that we have Leno, Bellerin, Kolasinac, Xhaka, Willian, Pépé, Aubameyang, and Lacazette - they don't fit. Arteta has dropped all of them at one time or another, hinted about most of them publicly that they're not good fits for what he wants to do, and yet we can't find a club anywhere that will pay anything more for them than an insultingly low fee or any fee at all in most cases.

A couple of those are on Edu and Arteta, Willian is the obvious one that they got badly wrong. Aubameyang and his new contract is another, but the guy was having a world class season at the time, with the benefit of hindsight I think that was a bad mistake by Edu and Arteta. But then even then there were no offers that we know of when he had only a year left, we were in the midst of pandemic football at that time, and they would have been absilutely slaughtered if he walked away for free or agreed a pre-contract with one of the big boys in the January. Then there's Xhaka, and time will tell on that one. It looks like the wrong move to me because I think he's a hindrance to the football Arteta wants to play and we should have sold for the packet of crisps Roma were no doubt offering. So that might be another bad move by them.

But there are lots of others in the squad that are not on them, and they've already shifted a good number of them too. It's beeb a very, very bad time to try and overhaul the squad, that's the main point I'm making. The worst time in the history of modern football in fact.

I hate Xhaka as much as the next guy but who are you going to replace him with? We are in such a state that he is one of the better players in the squad. Partey has his perks but he's wildly inconsistent and injury prone, while the other options in central midfield are a kid from Belgium and one or two chaps who can barely be called professional footballers.

If we could have sell him them there are players out there that are we could sign that are better players and a better fit for the football Arteta alledges he wants to play.

Could be, but not for 20m I think.

Then spend 50m on the replacement? Not rocket science. We badly needed to shift him and upgrade

Gurgen wrote:

Could be, but not for 20m I think.

He's not very good and at the same time quite important - it's a bad mixture. I don't see the problem with selling him and then buying someone better. But the club must have felt that what Roma were offering was not close to enough. I don't think having him as a bit-part player will work.

He's important because he is the best of a bad bunch. We needed better than him. Our experience with Partey thus far has been very disappointing.