Anzac wrote:

Need to drink more to care less and help the pain go away.

This post is so un-Anzac!

Qwiss! wrote:

We are going nowhere until we get rid of him.

I sort of look at it the other way round, he'll certainly be gone before we start to get anywhere.

Anzac wrote:

Need to drink more to care less and help the pain go away.

I don't see how anyone can predict us returning to a position of strength commensurate with our history and the fundamentals of the club for at least another two or three seasons. And even that position wouldn't necessarily mean contending for major trophies.

Gotta go bottoms up to get to the glass half-empty place you need to be. And let's hope when the hangover fades things have changed.

After the game yesterday I read a lot of articles, watched a lot of arsenal channels online. And I've noticed something, no matter where you look, from pundits on TV to online forums, reddit or YT channels & arsenal blogs(doesn't matter if they are pro or against Arteta)...one thing they have in common, nobody is expecting anything from the manager. Not one person out there is saying that we should improve by you know....training, having a clear style, playing to the squads strenghts, having better team cohesion, motivating the squad...getting the best out of what we have etc. Sure, that would not be enough for say Top 4 as our squad is bad...but still, I find it so strange that there is nothing expected of Arteta. All you hear is that we should buy buy buy, and that is the only way we will improve. What is the point of Arteta then?

Everyone realises he can't do those things. What strikes me is he was brought in because Emery couldn't get CL football, that was always the goal yet all of a sudden due nothing more than Artetas failures the last 2 seasons people have started acting like getting into Europe at all would be a good job by him.

It's because either Arteta is very charismatic or has a great PR machine behind him. I genuinely dislike him for the dogshit football, the piss poor decisions and the unwarranted arrogance but even I have to admit he knows how to communicate or at least portray himself well.

Even here where people aren't usually that gullible you see people defending him, blaming virtually every poor development on everything else. Squad morale is low because of traitors to the cause, Guendouzi is a moron, Saliba a coward, players not giving 100% etc even if all of it were true as if all that had no bearing on the job the manager is doing. Plenty of us used to criticise Mourinho before he turned into a walking meme because he could only get successful football out of clearly great players, never you'd see him turn a player who looked like shit into a star performer because he lacks the ability. Now we see people giving Arteta the same kid gloves treatment without him either having the CV or players at his disposal and arguably failing even with some of the stars he does have. It's a massive clusterfuck, I don't even mind Edu who's little more than an intern to mind at the moment, we need to get rid of Arteta asap.

It works both ways though. I used to get accused of being Wengerite because I'd defend him on certain issues even when I was well past the point of thinking he should stay. People tend to start blaming anything and everything on the manager (Wenger, Emery and now Arteta are all victims of this) so it's natural for people who are sympathetic and hopeful that he can turn it around to play devils advocate.

But if Arteta was sacked towards the end of last season (or last December), I doubt you'd have seen anyone kick up much of a fuss.

jones wrote:

It's because either Arteta is very charismatic or has a great PR machine behind him. I genuinely dislike him for the dogshit football, the piss poor decisions and the unwarranted arrogance but even I have to admit he knows how to communicate or at least portray himself well.

Even here where people aren't usually that gullible you see people defending him, blaming virtually every poor development on everything else. Squad morale is low because of traitors to the cause, Guendouzi is a moron, Saliba a coward, players not giving 100% etc even if all of it were true as if all that had no bearing on the job the manager is doing. Plenty of us used to criticise Mourinho before he turned into a walking meme because he could only get successful football out of clearly great players, never you'd see him turn a player who looked like shit into a star performer because he lacks the ability. Now we see people giving Arteta the same kid gloves treatment without him either having the CV or players at his disposal and arguably failing even with some of the stars he does have. It's a massive clusterfuck, I don't even mind Edu who's little more than an intern to mind at the moment, we need to get rid of Arteta asap.

It's kinda unreal how much the standards have dropped around here, myself included given how hopeless our entire club looks like these days. I was furious we bottled top 4 despite having every result go our way under Emery and wanted him gone, but these days there are some who are happy to accept mid table mediocrity for next few years just because they think Edu sucks and take time to replace him.

Like you have said, the amount of excuses made for him is mindblowing. In twenty years of watching football, I have never seen so many excuses created out of nowhere just to give the benefit of doubt when in the end the results and actions of individuals is painfully obvious. I loved Arteta as a player and was one of the only few who wanted him here at the start, but seriously there are too many red flags to ignore.

goon wrote:

It works both ways though. I used to get accused of being Wengerite because I'd defend him on certain issues even when I was well past the point of thinking he should stay. People tend to start blaming anything and everything on the manager (Wenger, Emery and now Arteta are all victims of this) so it's natural for people who are sympathetic and hopeful that he can turn it around to play devils advocate.

I understand this stance well, I did it with Emery for a longer time than most. I thought the players let him down horribly during the final, win that get CL and he might well be still our gaffer especially if he had hired a fucking translator. I thought Emery had done enough in his career to warrant the benefit of doubt and even in hindsight in his first year we weren't a patch on our better Wenger sides we were a lot better than before or afterwards.

With Arteta however there's little to suggest he'll turn it around. I couldn't name a single reason to be hopeful right now other than his ability to con people into thinking he knows what he's doing and that's not a gift you need in the Man in charge. Worse still many of you Arteta defenders seem to swing to far in the other direction and start blaming stuff on young players instead of seeing how we never had these issues before he took charge.

Clrnc wrote:

It's kinda unreal how much the standards have dropped around here, myself included given how hopeless our entire club looks like these days. I was furious we bottled top 4 despite having every result go our way under Emery and wanted him gone, but these days there are some who are happy to accept mid table mediocrity for next few years just because they think Edu sucks and take time to replace him.

Expectation and acceptance aren't the same thing. Our entire club looking hopeless is the reason to expect a poor result this season.

We have a Board that won't invest massively, a stolid manager, a questionable club hierarchy and a deficient squad. That adds up to mediocrity. We're not on track to fix even one of those problems any time soon. Fixing three at once would mean chaos. The foundations aren't good, it sucks but sometimes the truth sucks.

The Board isn't going to shift without a hostile, over the odds takeover bid. At the rate we spend for now, there's more patient work to do bringing in players who are likely to have quality and to want to stick around after another contract cycle. And yes, maybe we can do better than Edu. Getting someone great in that role might have a bigger impact on the strategic timeline than sacking Arteta.

Who is happy with mid table mediocrity anyway? People just have different ideas about the best way to escape it.

But Arteta itself is the biggest cry of mediocrity. His sole presence should not be tolerated if we consider ourselves a big club.

Kroenke, Edu and co are destroying the club

If I get a tumor I know what to call it now.

Wenger was sacked because he lost the fans. The real reason for his underperformance on the pitch was a sub-par squad.

Emery was sacked because he lost the dressing room. The real reason for his underperformance on the pitch was a sub-par squad.

Is it any wonder that Arteta, handed another sub-par squad, is focused on handling 'his image' toward the fans and the dressing room?

Just like with Wenger, if the club are letting Arteta make decisions such as extending Xhaka, that really is the club's fault. Successful football clubs that operate on an actual budget are not run like that.

Arteta being able to muster the appearance of competence to the players and fans is not really a bad quality. Wenger possessed it in abundance. Emery didn't have enough of it.

I'd rather my coaches be competent than look it. Easier to fix the latter rather than the former, also made it easier to replace Emery after one 70 point and one shit season compared to Arteta who looks like he's here to stay for good

Below Steve Bruce 😆

It’s got to the stage where Mikel is being very underrated.

Continue our recent level in the league and we’ll do ok

I think he’s at a very critical stage in his career/with us. Fans are on the edge, and can turn on him at the drop of a hat. A poor start or poor stretch due to whatever reason and I think he’ll be in serious trouble.