Clrnc wrote:

Arteta says Saliba can't be played today because he is not in the squad. Surely that's wrong?

Blame Edu. None of the Fortnite gang can play.

"A registered player is one who would be registered and eligible to participate in a Premier League match and/or League Match commencing at the same time and on the same date as the Competition match."

Claudius wrote:

Clrnc wrote:

Arteta says Saliba can't be played today because he is not in the squad. Surely that's wrong?

Blame Edu. None of the Fortnite gang can play.

"A registered player is one who would be registered and eligible to participate in a Premier League match and/or League Match commencing at the same time and on the same date as the Competition match."

How was he eligible to be on the bench against Leicester in the previous round then?

Was before the window closed and so before final registration.

Even if we register him, there are far too many players here. We need send Mustafi and Chambers away on loan. Then we can be sure Saliba will get significant minutes. Should do same with Cedric. He leaves me cold. Has nothing. Cedric, Willian. All these veterans who don’t bring a special ability and take up minutes a high potential kid could use

No lessons were learned, nothing new happened, no silver linings were sighted. The situation remains the same. We are in limbo until Arteta is sacked.

MistaT wrote:

Clrnc wrote:

Don't help Klaus. Give him the full story.

Got a knock from an awful tackle, was literally crying and couldn't continue. Hobbled off, we forced him to continue in the 2nd half and he broke down within minutes of it. Like how we treated Partey

Eh, that's not how I quite saw it. 

It was an aggressive tackle but within the goalie's rights, and it's speculative to say "we forced him to continue". Sure, we could have told him he wasn't playing but I'd imagine Martinelli was the one advocating to play, more so than Arteta who could easily replace him with Pepe.

Agree on the tackle but disagree on how we dealt with it. We acted like the knock had happened to someone who's been fit. When a player has been out that long and in his first start back you don't push through it, you be careful and taje him off.

If we revised history and said Martinelli cost 72 million whilst Pepe cost 6 million. Would anyone bat an eyelid?

Missed this match planning to watch it on delayed live coverage with the game already downloaded. Came on here just to read the regular threads whilst avoiding the match day thread and the first thing I read is a post by Claude saying we got tonked. Glad I won't have to waste two hours of my time watching now.

Big Willie wrote:

Missed this match planning to watch it on delayed live coverage with the game already downloaded. Came on here just to read the regular threads whilst avoiding the match day thread and the first thing I read is a post by Claude saying we got tonked. Glad I won't have to waste two hours of my time watching now.

Well, everybody was laughing at some point, so you wouldn't waste two hours. Our second choice goalie is absolutely special, I do not think any other team from premierleague to league two has a goalkeeper of this quality. You rob yourself of experience, not enjoyable one but still unique.

Big Willie wrote:

Missed this match planning to watch it on delayed live coverage with the game already downloaded. Came on here just to read the regular threads whilst avoiding the match day thread and the first thing I read is a post by Claude saying we got tonked. Glad I won't have to waste two hours of my time watching now.

Don’t. Seriously. Go on BeIN and find 5 minute highlights to see how bad our goalie is. You don’t want to sit through 90 minutes of us not knowing how to pass

Well now, that was one of the worst things I've ever seen apart from Martinelli's 12 seconds of decent football playing.

This has to end.

I have not been angry when watching us since the Villa game, hell, yesterday I was laughing my ass off while watching....but that move by Kolasniac drove me mad. Such a simple pass as well, how the hell can he not spot it? or be able to pull it off. fuck off

HomeSteak wrote:

I have not been angry when watching us since the Villa game, hell, yesterday I was laughing my ass off while watching....but that move by Kolasniac drove me mad. Such a simple pass as well, how the hell can he not spot it? or be able to pull it off. fuck off

Kolasinac is a useless lump of muscle. 

Didn't watch the second half, so Martinelli is injured again? Is it bad?

sounds like just an impact injury, but it probably rules him out for chelsea

HomeSteak wrote:

I have not been angry when watching us since the Villa game, hell, yesterday I was laughing my ass off while watching....but that move by Kolasniac drove me mad. Such a simple pass as well, how the hell can he not spot it? or be able to pull it off. fuck off

There’s no way he didn’t see him. As shit as he is, just no way. The only conclusion I can make is that he chose not to play that pass. In any case, he needs to be sent packing along with the rest of the dross.

He's an abysmal footballer. It astounds me that Wenger/the club rated him, even for a free transfer.

I wanted to post that clip to trigger Klaus, Homesteak is way too fast.

Lol. Kola was just looking ahead into the future where he’d be able to make a tackle out of a goal scoring opportunity. Good job.

Openings like these, where we can send the ball through the middle pop up within the course of our games a few times, and we always, without fail, choose to go the safe route into the horse shoe dead end.

That’s why our xG and chance creation has plummeted, and while I recognize the limitations of our players, I have to ask the question about what the manager instructs them to do. That action or choice by Kola seems like it’s been drilled into him... we see that scenario far too often with different players for it to be a coincindence.

flobaba wrote:

Lol. Kola was just looking ahead into the future where he’d be able to make a tackle out of a goal scoring opportunity. Good job.

Openings like these, where we can send the ball through the middle pop up within the course of our games a few times, and we always, without fail, choose to go the safe route into the horse shoe dead end.

That’s why our xG and chance creation has plummeted, and while I recognize the limitations of our players, I have to ask the question about what the manager instructs them to do. That action or choice by Kola seems like it’s been drilled into him... we see that scenario far too often with different players for it to be a coincindence.

Yes. I mentioned it enough, but we don't do one touch passes anymore, everything is about body shape and how we receive the ball taking a first touch first and being safe to pass back. It's definitely designed on purpose and the safety first mentality is costing us big time over time. We have been coached in a way it has slowly deteriorated and gutted the players mentality, restricting their creativity and freedom. It's not a coincidence after more months of such coaching we have finally reached such stage.

When I saw the live I was screaming for him to play that simple ball to Willock. Or was it Niles?

I’m really glad to hear that Martinelli is okay. How should we use him and Saka going forward? Are they best in a 343 with Saka behind or 433 with Saka as a left 8? Or play them in 433 either side of Auba?

Clrnc wrote:

MistaT wrote:

Eh, that's not how I quite saw it. 

It was an aggressive tackle but within the goalie's rights, and it's speculative to say "we forced him to continue". Sure, we could have told him he wasn't playing but I'd imagine Martinelli was the one advocating to play, more so than Arteta who could easily replace him with Pepe.

That could be true too, but it would then be very worrying our medical staffs listen to the players rather than their own medical judgement.

And generally that's not how it works. The medical staff and manager always have the final say and decide whether it's worth the risk.

I mean, this happens all the time, rightly or wrongly. Without doing more invasive testing, the medics have to take player feedback as an indicator of fitness in a matchday situation. Frustrating as it is, I don't think it's it's something worth criticising given how common this is.

Phew

Don Pacifico wrote:

Clrnc wrote:

That could be true too, but it would then be very worrying our medical staffs listen to the players rather than their own medical judgement.

And generally that's not how it works. The medical staff and manager always have the final say and decide whether it's worth the risk.

I mean, this happens all the time, rightly or wrongly. Without doing more invasive testing, the medics have to take player feedback as an indicator of fitness in a matchday situation. Frustrating as it is, I don't think it's it's something worth criticising given how common this is.

Yeah it happens but still not right. I remember Wenger allowing a player to play on against the advice of the medical staff because the players felt fine. Ended up he had a hairline fracture and then subsequently out for a few months.

Always not worth risking.

you can tell it was a pain tolerance issue and he's 19 so it's expected.

HomeSteak wrote:

I have not been angry when watching us since the Villa game, hell, yesterday I was laughing my ass off while watching....but that move by Kolasniac drove me mad. Such a simple pass as well, how the hell can he not spot it? or be able to pull it off. fuck off

arsenal shouldn't have any players who end up in attacking areas who can't make that pass and he's been here for too long. the bigger problem isn't just about making bad signings, it's keeping them around.

Meatwad wrote:

HomeSteak wrote:

I have not been angry when watching us since the Villa game, hell, yesterday I was laughing my ass off while watching....but that move by Kolasniac drove me mad. Such a simple pass as well, how the hell can he not spot it? or be able to pull it off. fuck off

arsenal shouldn't have any players who end up in attacking areas who can't make that pass and he's been here for too long. the bigger problem isn't just about making bad signings, it's keeping them around.

Nah, we are Backpass FC

Clrnc wrote:

Meatwad wrote:

arsenal shouldn't have any players who end up in attacking areas who can't make that pass and he's been here for too long. the bigger problem isn't just about making bad signings, it's keeping them around.

Nah, we are Backpass FC

Thank the no-talent clowns we have in defense and midfield for this. Xhaka, Kolasinac, Holding, Bellerin are especially guilty here. Make it end, Edu. 

It also is part of the tactic. I’m sure of it. Arteta probably highly encouraged it early as an easy go to option when under pressure in defence and midfield, and then our cowardly no talent clowns embrace it as the first option almost all the time instead of looking around for an alternative forward pass.

I just think it’s largely an outcome of our lack of talent. Bellerin and Kolasinac’s lack of an outside pass. Holding’s lack of confidence in the through ball. Xhaka’s immobility. All these things lead to us keeping the ball in the back.

At least Gabriel and Luiz are good on the ball. If you have a really good DM, you have options of either passing to him or doing the 1-2 with him to drive up into midfield. And then the fullbacks can push up accordingly. It’s why I would choose Chambers over Holding if he is healthy. Holding is a possession liability.

Claudius wrote:

I’m really glad to hear that Martinelli is okay. How should we use him and Saka going forward? Are they best in a 343 with Saka behind or 433 with Saka as a left 8? Or play them in 433 either side of Auba?

Saka as a 10 behind Martinelli. Partey and Ceballos in CM. Rest, I don't care.

flobaba wrote:

It also is part of the tactic. I’m sure of it. Arteta probably highly encouraged it early as an easy go to option when under pressure in defence and midfield, and then our cowardly no talent clowns embrace it as the first option almost all the time instead of looking around for an alternative forward pass.

From the few snippets I've read and heard it's quite the opposite. He wants quick forward transitions and direct play. These clowns did the same thing with Emery and it certainly wasn't his style. 

Elneny and Xhaka have been doing this since day 1 at the club, Kola too. Back then people used to come to the same 'wenger is coaching it out of them' conclusions. 

I find it much more likely that these cowards simply don't trust in their ability to make a riskier pass and choose to go back, than Arteta and Emery, both of whom wanted us to play a high risk passing game out the back under pressure from the best pressing teams around, instructing them to play it back to the keeper so he can hit it long out for a throw in.

Keep breaking records every game. Yesterday the commentator on my coverage mentioned it was the first time since 1961 Man City had scored 4 at Arsenal. What's next? When did Chelsea last score 5, 6 or 7 against us?

invisibleman18 wrote:

Keep breaking records every game. Yesterday the commentator on my coverage mentioned it was the first time since 1961 Man City had scored 4 at Arsenal. What's next? When did Chelsea last score 5, 6 or 7 against us?

The Man City one is a BS stat to be honest.

But I guess when you are down and out these meaningless stats come out.

I wonder if we'll miraculously be able to shift some or all of Xhaka, Kolasinac, Mustafi and Elneny in January. Loan, transfer, or the dumpster out back.

Would be as satisfying as a creative midfielder signing.

Clrnc wrote:

Remember seeing this live and just about resisting the urge to smash my screen.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert wrote:

I wonder if we'll miraculously be able to shift some or all of Xhaka, Kolasinac, Mustafi and Elneny in January. Loan, transfer, or the dumpster out back.

Would be as satisfying as a creative midfielder signing.

They wont even try to move Elneny, Arteta loves him.