Hleb and Arshavin, yikes!
All Time Arsenal XI (with a twist!)
Of course it should be Ljungberg and Alexis but I'm biased.
Pat Jennings
Lauren Toure McClintock Cole
Ljungberg Gilberto Cesc Brady
Bergkamp Henry
could also put Sammy Nelson at left back, Sol at CB, Jens at GK. I had to have Jennings and Brady though.
As it is I've got a Double winning captain and an Invincible at centre back, attacking fullbacks, goal scoring wingers, the Invisible Wall and Jesus in midfield and God and Thierry up front.
--------- lehmann
Lauren - toure - campbell - kola
--------gilberto
------cesc - ramsey
--alexis - henry - overmars
Or
Lauren - toure - campbell- kola
Freddie - cesc - gilberto - alexis
---------bergkamp - henry
keeping it to PL players only:
.........Lehmann......
Lauren.toure..campbell.vermaelen
.........gilberto.......
..Ramsey...........Cesc
.........Bergkamp....
....Sanchez...Henry..
Big Willie wrote:Lehmann
Toure - Campbell - Vermaelen
Ljungberg- Gilberto - Fabregas - Sanchez
Bergkamp
Aubameyang - Henry
I'm not sure it would work in actuality, but I'd choose this team on FIFA. It's close between Cesc and Cazorla, though.
Yeah thought about the two. Loved Cazorla and hr might have been a better choice for with his control in tight spaces but Cesc's final ball nicked it for me. Our forwards would be feasting on his delovery from deep and Bergy's invention up ahead.
I disagree with the notion that it's close between the two, Fabregas was the clearly superior player. At his peak only Ronaldo could best him in this league. Cazorla was a classy player but could never hope to hit those heights.
I don't think it's close between them either. Wholly different tiers as players in their prime. Cesc looked like a generational midfield talent at one point.
Cesc was one of our best ever players. The fact that we won nothing with him in the team is a stain on the team not on him.
Klaus wrote:I don't think it's close between them either. Wholly different tiers as players in their prime. Cesc looked like a generational midfield talent at one point.
He was a generational talent. He just ended up on the wrong teams at the wrong time. I’m just mad about how things went for him. I wish we could go back and choose the green pill for the Emirates era
Yeah. He was phenomenal from 08 to 11. It then went downhill for him but tbf he did come back for a 1 season revival when he won Chelsea the league.
I do believe he regrets his career and still massively love Arsenal.
Cazorla is a great player but Cesc in his peak is world class.
Fun eleven one nation
——————Lehmann
Lauren—Sokratis—Campbell—Santos
——————Vieira
———-Cazorla——Hleb
Pepe———-Kanu————Arshavin
Clrnc wrote:Yeah. He was phenomenal from 08 to 11. It then went downhill for him but tbf he did come back for a 1 season revival when he won Chelsea the league.
I do believe he regrets his career and still massively love Arsenal.
Cazorla is a great player but Cesc in his peak is world class.
Personally think Cazorla at his peak is as good as the 2nd and 3rd best ever La Masia graduates, Xavi and Iniesta. Comfortably the better footballer to me. This is what my eyes and my intuition tells me. I realize I am likely wrong.
I don't know much about Cazorla's talent at the start of his career. However, Cesc lit up the world the way he played against Juventus in 05/06. I somewhat doubt Cazorla had such a prodigious start and adaptation to senior level football. Cesc became a top 5 PL midfielder by 07/08 against really reputed opposing midfielders and put out notice in his performance against AC Milan (think this is when clubs started to develop acquisition strategies for him). Still 20 at the time? So either well above Cazorla's curve, or the latter was flourishing under much dimmer light. Cesc put his all-round game together in 09/10 in a leadership role and a ridiculous highlight reel of passing technique to become a top 5 PL player. He later bought himself a ticket the best team in the world (club and international), and then a PL medal later. Cazorla on the CL and International fringes through out the majority of that? All in all, that makes Cesc the better professional footballer. This in terms of how he applied his talent in the sport and how progressed his career. If Cesc was a not a La Masia [in name] graduate, I wonder if he would have been poached by a club of Arsenal's stature and received the kind of quality education amongst world class peers he had here? Would he have developed to the same heights? What if Cazorla was a La Masia graduate[in name]?
I love Cazorla, but come on Xavi and especially Iniesta are generational midfielders. I don't think any midfielder in the world right now is as good as any of them at their peak.
Cazorla was a decent winger/AM at the start of his career, but it was really when he moved to CM that he flourished massively with his ability. Till such a late age with massive injuries he is still ridiculously good in La Liga as a CM. It's unheard of for someone with that kind of injury and out for so long to straight away come back and dominate the league till the extent Spain called him up as a first choice CM ahead of many fantastic players. Wenger has done it again
Pellegrini used him in central midfield at Malaga already to be fair. But yeah one of the best buys ever by Wenger.
Pretty sure not in CM though from what I googled. More of RW and sometimes AM. Their CM always rotates among Camacho Toulalan and Maresca.
Isco was a big big miss back then, can't believe we didn't go for him as well when they were bankrupt.
Cazorla was mostly used further up front true but he definitely played a couple of games in CM, I remember that I hoped Wenger would try it too before he did. Just checked transfermarkt and they even say it's the position he played in most (although they count RM and RW as different positions)
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/santi-cazorla/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/15799/verein/1084
Isco was a huge miss. Probably the first youth player I've scouted myself, he's from a town near Malaga where I have family and I watched a couple of his games when he was still at Valencia. Malaga paid the 7m or so release clause for him when he had less than 5 professional games with them and I thought back then it was a steal, even the 30m Madrid paid two years later were still a bargain.
Cazorla is unbelievable in terms of skill, but an All Time XI should be focused on players who impacted games the most. Cesc was far more influential - whether playing deep or further forward - and should be in ahead of Cazorla every time.
Very controversial here, but I think a tighter call (than Cesc vs Cazorla) is Viera vs Henry.
Lehmann
Toure - Mertesacker - Campbell
Gilberto
Ljungberg - Viera - Fabregas - Sanchez
Bergkamp
Aubameyang