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Official: Mikel Arteta is the new Arsenal manager.

Burnwinter

Arteta's maybe starting to lose his grip a bit, there's the ambience of declining trust. Josh Kroenke has also dropped away. It's very hard to imagine us progressing much in Europe based on these performances.

We need a shot in the arm of some kind. I agree the foundations are good and that Arteta's a good manager, but our stocks are dropping and a big chunk of our performance is set by the runaway sentiments inside and outside the club.

Don Pacifico

Season has not gone well and not getting a forward in during the summer window has clearly contributed to our underperformance.

Things don't look great but we're just about in with a shot in three competitions still. Likely won't go our way but I see no way we get to the end of August without signing the attacker(s) we need.

All this being said, we've had a tremendous amount of bad fortune this season. Bad fortune that could have mitigated by recruitment but bad fortune nevertheless. I can understand the gloom but some of the histrionics after the match appear to be dismissive of this fact.

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Don Pacifico

Bad fortune my ass. This is elite sports. You can’t blame bad fortune over a period of 6 months esp when the same mistakes keep occurring. Also you make your own luck.

This team and manager will never get a buy because of ‘bad luck’. That simply won’t wash. Most feeble excuse ever.

Anyway, I really don’t know how Arteta turns this around. This is his biggest test at Arsenal since Dec 2020. Where’s his ESR now?

Gurgen

That is true, the number and concentration of the injuries and the corrupt refereeing decisions have been incredible this season.

Qwiss

Gurgen we have had some bad decisions against us this season but we had the reffing in our favour yesterday and still fucked it up. I'm pretty sick of refs as an excuse at this stage.

Gurgen

Qwiss that's one game, in the cup. Refs have cost us 10+ points in the league.

Gazza M

that's why, short of us missing top 4, I'd give him another season to take a swing at it. there have been some genuine headwinds this season. we had mainly tailwinds last season aside from timbers longterm injury. arteta has to come to grips with the fact that his football is prone to creative droughts and recruit accordingly from now on. failure to acknowledge the shortcomings in his approach and make the necessary adjustments will be the end of him

awooga83

Gazza M I can understand this perspective but it has to accompanied by proper acknowledgment that at three moment what he's built is missing key components. I've seen some views of but for the bad luck we'd actually be fine but we've still had major issues when I'm the good seasons, goal scoring has been a long term issue despite racking up some big wins. It can't be just go again a you were. If he's not capable of acknowledging the flaws we've had then we should be looking for someone else.

Bernard Woolley

Gazza M Fully agree with this. This could be an indication of any number of things - that the last 2 years were an incredible purple patch, that Arteta doesn't have the resilience to come good when there's a little headwind of either injuries or bad refereeing, or that this is a one-off shitstorm from which he can come back with 1 good summer. Next season will give us the answer (assuming our hands are not tied behind our back financially) and that's the time to make the relevant judgment. If we are not up there and challenging in January 2026, I'd look to bring in another manager and give him the summer to recruit as he wants.

JazzG

lorddulaarsenal Not sure what to make of that?

Is it the Kroenkes? Though why spend on Merino and Cala if funds are limited?

We've dominated Man Utd, literally created chance after chance and so he isn't going to come out and throw his players under the bus.

It is like it is in the DNA of the club, we had this under Wenger as well fucking chance after chance we create and still can't score! I mean look at the chances yesterday, those players score them 8 or 9 times out 10. Unbelievable really.

Gurgen

Havertz must have missed 3 xG on his own in the last few games.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Havertz is trash. Chelsea fans I (unfortunately) know are pissing themselves laughing.

JazzG

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert They weren't laughing a few months back were they? Come on man, he has his issues but shit like this can happen.

Qwiss

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert Havertz is trash.

Not really. He's not worth what we paid, he's not worth his wages but he's not trash either. He's ok. He'd be a great rotational player. Someone who ironically you'd call in for these cup games, someone to come on in midfield or up front in the last 10-20 minutes of a big game, etc He's useful its just that his current status in the squad is above where it should be. He should be the Merino of the central attack.

awooga83

Qwiss I agree with this he's an okay squad player but it should have been 20m and much lower wages. That was a massive fuck up on valuation by us and that does seem to be impacting what we are able to do. Consistency is key for quality players so a nice run for 6 months doesn't change that his overall career in the prem pretty much shows his level and her isn't reliable as a goalscorer.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Ok fine, it's true Havertz has value as a squad player or clever tactical option.

I'm just beyond pissed at the club re our attacking recruitment. It's shocking and has been for years and years. I'm looking for easy scapegoats.

Burnwinter

awooga83 I agree with this he's an okay squad player but it should have been 20m and much lower wages.

You genuinely can't get Havertz for £20m in today's football. And you can see why, granted his finishing has been average but his athleticism and work rate are outlandish for a man his size.

It's one of those cases where a Vlahović or Šeško shows up and certainly isn't transformational by comparison. I would still rather go in for a gun left winger who can play with Havertz.

Qwiss

Burnwinter you are right you don't get Havertz for £20m but you should be able to get someone like that for £35-40m. £65m and worst of all his ludicrous wages was just bad business. We have a few too many cases in the squad of players we overpaid for even though they are decent players and according to reports and our apparent lack of signings this season its costing us in the market long term.

awooga83

Burnwinter fair but if it was going to be 65m we should have walked that was never worth it.

Mirth

Burnwinter you're right, Havertz is worth more than £20m. In fact, with his age profile, CL winners medal and being a full fledged international international for Germany, he's automatically at least at the £40m-50m mark.

But the question is around the opportunity cost he represents.

FWIW I've defend Havertz a lot - he's a solid player but it doesn't look like we had a plan for him. I'd happily still keep him in the squad and bin Jesus

Burnwinter

There are reasons to believe things will get better next season. Liverpool should be slightly weaker or on par with their ageing squad and contract / retention issues, and City may be sanctioned.

You have to hope there is the next mile of investment from KSE, because in the last twenty years the league conditions have rarely looked like a better opportunity for Arsenal to win a couple of titles than they do now.

daredevil

Nketiah moved for 30m.

HomeSteak

daredevil yet to score in the PL for them, we robbed them.

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