City have the world's best striker and have four losses in a row in all competitions.

Clrnc

A less than 1-in-2 record in the Championship is not a stellar record.

Clrnc Gyokeres has a stellar championship goalscoring record. Those normally transfer to the top league. It's proven.

Akpom, Ivan Toney, Pukki, Mitrovic, Vydra, Grabban, Wood, Gray, Murphy. Top scorers in Championship for past decade. How long exactly does it take for this record to transfer to the top league? Cos only guy whose game I recognise is Toney.

JazzG

Exactly, people don't want strikers for strikers sake, people want Champions Leagues and Premier League titles. If we don't land a striker who leads us to titles, people will turn on him as quickly as they can say his name. We've been here before between 2012 and 2018 under Wenger under a different manager and regime, the idea that the club, or any club for that matter, wouldn't want a top class striker is as dumb as it is to type out. In 20 years, we've managed to land one top class striker in Aubameyang and that should tell anyone how difficult it is and that's in an ever shrinking market. There are some options out there, I really like the look of Duran but people really want a striker who will score 20-25 league goals in the season and another Welbeck won't cut it.

RocktheCasbah Nope obviously not. I am saying evidence shows that the championship is a good league to judge if the players can bring those goalscoring prowess to somewhere else, especially the PL.

Gyokeres has scored 40 goals in 97 apps for a poor side like Coventry City, then went on to 66 goals in 67 apps for Sporting, where 10 of them are in Europe. He has every reason to continue this goalscoring streak if someone like our club buy him for example, than be an outright flop. 106 goals in 164 apps over 4 seasons is as consistent as it gets.

10 goals in 24 apps for Sweden as well, which is a goalscoring ratio only 2nd to Zlatan in Sweden's modern history.

daredevil Again, this is false. We could and should have signed Suarez or Higuain. It was all down to Wenger's penny pinching that we missed out on them.

For Wenger's fault, he has always tried to sign a striker to improve on Giroud. Be it Suarez, Higuain, Benzema, Vardy. Let alone the ton of attacking mids he signed. His weakness is opposite, he doesn't sign enough defenders.

Imagine a Wenger & Arteta co-managing run with Arteta coaching the shit out of our defenders and Wenger doing the same for our attackers.

Clrnc thanks for clarifying.

Just seems to me that whether or not these strikers have managed to convert Championship records into decent Premier League ones is a moot point (or at least irrelevant to Arsenal and improving our front line), if you don't think we should be signing any of them.

Fwiw, I wouldn't have minded seeing Ollie Watkins at Arsenal a couple of years back, but I don't think so now. And if you look at the top level Premier League teams, it's quite rare they take a striker from the Championship. We obviously haven't, Liverpool haven't, City haven't - even Spurs haven't done it. Villa were, of course, nowhere near the CL places when Watkins signed for them.

RocktheCasbah no one's talking about taking a striker from the Championship. They're talking about Gyokres and using his time in the Championship as a reason not to sign him.

Claudius https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/nov/10/viktor-gyokeres-drive-and-character-show-he-can-stay-at-the-elite-level?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Qwiss

Clrnc Nope obviously not. I am saying evidence shows that the championship is a good league to judge if the players can bring those goalscoring prowess to somewhere else, especially the PL.

Clrnc you’re talking about an exception who has flourished at age 26. I am challenging your claim that there is some reliable pipeline of Championship to elite premier league strikers. Which was just completely unjustifiable. Like nobody is taking Pukki and pips.

RocktheCasbah poor old Clarence is just trying to defend against the idea that there is "no guarantee" Gyökeres would score any goals for us by citing his goal scoring record in England. I'm not sure it's the best argument. I'd rather just say - better we strengthened our attack in the summer than doing nothing, and now that this dude has continued his goal scoring form from last season, it looks even more foolish.

Of course there is no guarantee, and scoring goals in one season, or one league, doesn't guarantee you'll ever do it again. I mean, look at Mbappé ffs. Never a surer thing, and he's down in the dumps.

Having a better stable of attackers with different profiles and skill sets is always a good thing. It's possible to get bloated, but we're nowhere near that at this stage in our squad development. It was negligent not to sign someone, and Gyökeres would have been a decent enough attempt. Hell, I'd rather have Zirkzee or Hojlund than nobody at all.

Coombs it would’ve good to understand what transpired this summer. Because clearly Sesko was a big priority before the Euros, and we did try Nico hard all summer by all accounts. But to not have anything beyond that is interesting.

I’m a big believer in being able to show different faces once you have your core. I like Martinelli, Havertz and Saka as a core. But from 60 minutes on in a 5 sub system, you need to be able to give a different dimension, and usually speed kills in an age of pressing. Which brings me to the issue bigger than recruiting…

… this season Partey really stepped up when we had all kinds of midfield issues with our each of our expected starting 3 (Rice, Ode, Merino). He’s been stellar. In contrast, we have gotten the square root of fuck all from Trossard, Jesus and Sterling. Trossard was our killer last season. Jesus is a prime age Brazilian striker. And Sterling was a Pep forward. Trossard looks out of form, Jesus has always had scoring issues but was always our most intense player - he’s not running, pressing, or even restraining the ball. And Sterling can’t be unable to give 5 minutes in November. Thats unprofessional now. He should be climbing hills all day for this team. Their output is the bigger failure this year. All 3 outside my lower bounds.

Claudius We have followed Arteta long enough to know his demands and style. It's really no denying that he prioritise the defence areas over attack. Rightly or wrongly. It's been evident every window since he took over.

You said we tried hard for Sesko to prove we really wanted a striker. But if we really wanted one we will move to the next option and next option. If Arteta wanted to strengthen a position he will by hook or crook find one. Tried for Caicedo, failed then went for Rice. Tried for Martinez, failed then went for Zinchenko. Tried for Kounde, failed then went for White. Etc etc. He strengthen every single defensive area he wanted even if there are a lack of options available.

This summer the board reportedly vetoed the Calafiori deal as they don't want to sanction yet another big money CB. But Arteta personally went to convince the board how important it would be to our plans for a 4th LB in the squad. He got a big money keeper, then immediately upgraded him with another big money one.

If he thought a striker was that important, once Sesko rejected us we would have tried for someone else. We didn't. We just stick with Jesus. We probably didn't have money anyway for people like Gyokeres once we spent over 80m on Raya and Calafiori

Clrnc yeah there is plenty of evidence of Arteta working down alternative signings for defensive recruitment and many of them would not have met the sure thing test that seems to have been imposed on the striker discussion. There was clearly concerns about Calafiori with his injury record but as you say Arteta went in hard you say it was essential. On balance I can't say the boards original position was incorrect given where we are as a team right now and what we need.