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The one we ain't playing 2017/18

Tony Montana

Tactics wrote:
Tony Montana wrote:
What decisions does Oxlade not have to make anymore?

Having to always face a packed defence and having to choose the best option out of gaziliions

It's far easier to make the right decision when there's so much space in front of you with only few options to choose from

Yeah but he'll need to do that at Liverpool at times.

Wenger just used the wrong tactics.

arsedocmd

I hope it's bayern vs madrid in the semis. Let the larger cunts play each other first.

Gazza M

Excellent performance by liverpool. Klopps record against big English clubs continues to impress. If be interested to see how they fare against real or barca

Tony Montana

Gazza M wrote:
Tony Montana wrote:
What specifically comes to mind first though? What decisions as a CM does he now not need to do that he would need to make at Arsenal.

It's all very vague.

You don't think the decisions he has to make as a midfielder in klopps tactical framework differ compared to wengers? If the answer is no, then i can't be arsed explaining it further

Yeah he has to make different decisions. They're not necessarily easier to make or execute.

You're making the accusations so you may as well back it up.

Captain

Chambo has spent the vast majority of the season looking bang average.

DiabyKungFu

Tony Montana wrote:
Tactics wrote:
Having to always face a packed defence and having to choose the best option out of gaziliions

It's far easier to make the right decision when there's so much space in front of you with only few options to choose from

Yeah but he'll need to do that at Liverpool at times.

Wenger just used the wrong tactics.

Not really. Chamberlain was arguably our third best player last season. He is and has been a good player. Arsenal fans refused to acknowledge this last season simply because they had already become jaded when it came to Chambo since he didn't develop as quickly as expected. He was a good player at Arsenal. He's a good player at Liverpool. There's a reason Liverpool and Chelsea were both dying to get him.

Tony Montana

So much for City still being in the tie.

Clrnc

Anyway Liverpool is a prime example of how to at least compete at the highest level despite not having the riches like City. There are really no excuse for such mismanagement of our club under Wenger. They have good young players coming up from the academy, invest in specific promising players that is highly likely to succeed in their system to show ambitions and act as a big club so that their fans can back them up.

Compare that kind of support at Anfield to ours, it makes a massive difference to the team.

We really need to act this summer to prevent our club from falling behind further.

Gazza M

Tony Montana wrote:
Gazza M wrote:
You don't think the decisions he has to make as a midfielder in klopps tactical framework differ compared to wengers? If the answer is no, then i can't be arsed explaining it further

Yeah he has to make different decisions. They're not necessarily easier to make or execute.

You're making the accusations so you may as well back it up.

Yes they are because he's surrounded by a team working towards a common purpose. Win the ball quickly, find someone in the frontline straight away. Clear instructions that are drilled into every player daily ro the point that everyone is on autopilot. Compare that having little to no instructions at arsenal, and being surrounded by teammates who are winging it at the best of times as well. It forces players to rely heavily on improvisation and if their decision making is sketchy (ie ox) you will look poorer for it. its not hard to see why he looks slightly better at pool

As for pep, his tactics have been exposed in the CL ever since he left barca

Tony Montana

City have a complex against Liverpool, certainty at Anfield. They also don't have CL pedigree like Liverpool do so there's that psychology going on there as well.

It's like Arsenal. Constant deference to the big boys when it really mattered. It's normal for us to go out in the 2nd round and before that when we faced English opposition we lost.

Sicario

Gurgen wrote:
Sicario wrote:
Ronaldo is the greatest European player of all time.

Johan Cruijff is the greatest European player of all time.

Disagree, Ronaldo's stats shit all over him and he has been playing longer at a higher level.

Sicario

Big Willie wrote:
Salah again. The form this guy is in is unbelievable.

Jihaddi messi

Sicario

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert wrote:
Liverpool are quite special now. Thanks to Klopp.

Painful stuff.

What has he won them? Same goes to Poch at Spurs.

Sicario

Gazza M wrote:
Excellent performance by liverpool. Klopps record against big English clubs continues to impress. If be interested to see how they fare against real or barca

His record in finals is shocking though.

Sicario

Clrnc wrote:
Anyway Liverpool is a prime example of how to at least compete at the highest level despite not having the riches like City. There are really no excuse for such mismanagement of our club under Wenger. They have good young players coming up from the academy, invest in specific promising players that is highly likely to succeed in their system to show ambitions and act as a big club so that their fans can back them up.

Compare that kind of support at Anfield to ours, it makes a massive difference to the team.

We really need to act this summer to prevent our club from falling behind further.

They spent 75m on a defender in Jan. Not having riches my ass .

Gazza M

Sicario wrote:
Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert wrote:
Liverpool are quite special now. Thanks to Klopp.

Painful stuff.

What has he won them? Same goes to Poch at Spurs.

Right? At the moment they're still both behind wengers body of work between 06-12. I assume it's because both clubs had been domestic no marks for most of the premier league era, so people gas them both up a little too much now that they're achieving top 4 status regularly

jones

Tony Montana wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
Pretty low bar that.

True but don't think we can laugh at Ox if we're happy to spend 52m on Lacazette or 35m on Xhaxa.

Yes we can, both players are so far ahead of Ox it's not exactly debatable. That they're underachieving under our current manager doesn't mean it's otherwise

Tony Montana

jones wrote:
Tony Montana wrote:
True but don't think we can laugh at Ox if we're happy to spend 52m on Lacazette or 35m on Xhaxa.

Yes we can, both players are so far ahead of Ox it's not exactly debatable. That they're underachieving under our current manager doesn't mean it's otherwise

You could argue Ox was underachieving

lorddulaarsenal

Liverpool play with purpose but ultimately they won’t win a trophy this season

QuincyAbeyie

Tony Montana wrote:
jones wrote:
Yes we can, both players are so far ahead of Ox it's not exactly debatable. That they're underachieving under our current manager doesn't mean it's otherwise

You could argue Ox was underachieving

What is he now? Because what he's showing this season isn't close to what Xhaka and Lacazette showed before coming here.

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