Think we will be fine once we change manager. Kroenke may not be the ideal owner but we did spend upwards of £100 Mn last season.

21 years in charge, a large part of that reign without success has brought a sense of staleness. So many people across so many other disciplines guilty of the same - not knowing when to leave.

Let's just bring in a new manager with a new staff and fresh ideas in sync with the footballing landscape today and I am sure we will benefit more from the good that Wenger did in the past than suffer from the damage he is causing right now.

Rohit wrote:

Think we will be fine once we change manager. Kroenke may not be the ideal owner but we did spend upwards of £100 Mn last season.

21 years in charge, a large part of that reign without success has brought a sense of staleness. So many people across so many other disciplines guilty of the same - not knowing when to leave.

Let's just bring in a new manager with a new staff and fresh ideas in sync with the footballing landscape today and I am sure we will benefit more from the good that Wenger did in the past than suffer from the damage he is causing right now.

Not sure how you can't see kroenke being as big a problem if not a bigger one than Wenger. The only reason he's bought arsenal and stuck around is due to the way Wenger runs the club. Keep in mind we spent that 100m following a summer where we only bought cech, and we've followed up that 100m summer with arguably the worst window ever under Wenger. Kroenke and wenger have a symbiotic relationship - Wenger keeps his job, kroenke keeps his profits. If a new manager comes in, new ownership is needed in tandem

Why doesn't he just sell the club? He will make millions on top of what he bought in for.

Gazza M wrote:
Rohit wrote:

Think we will be fine once we change manager. Kroenke may not be the ideal owner but we did spend upwards of £100 Mn last season.

21 years in charge, a large part of that reign without success has brought a sense of staleness. So many people across so many other disciplines guilty of the same - not knowing when to leave.

Let's just bring in a new manager with a new staff and fresh ideas in sync with the footballing landscape today and I am sure we will benefit more from the good that Wenger did in the past than suffer from the damage he is causing right now.

Not sure how you can't see kroenke being as big a problem if not a bigger one than Wenger. The only reason he's bought arsenal and stuck around is due to the way Wenger runs the club. Keep in mind we spent that 100m following a summer where we only bought cech, and we've followed up that 100m summer with arguably the worst window ever under Wenger. Kroenke and wenger have a symbiotic relationship - Wenger keeps his job, kroenke keeps his profits. If a new manager comes in, new ownership is needed in tandem

Didn't the Glazers do exactly the same with United? Fergusson kept building title winning sides anyhow. Kroenke may be the bigger problem but if Wenger spends last season's £100 Mn better - on players that he doesn't feel like getting rid of in a year, then we might not have been in this position at all. I don't for a second believe that Kroenke froze all spending in the summer of 2015 after signing Cech. 

Wenger's methods are outdated. Footballers, young or otherwise are different to the footballers of the nineties and early noughties. His man management skills don't work with them. He isn't ruthless enough. Fergusson took help, Wenger wants to control everything. I don't want to even talk of bizarre tactics because I feel player appeasement is at the core of it. We need a new manager, ousting an ownership is much harder.

Rohit wrote:
Gazza M wrote:

Not sure how you can't see kroenke being as big a problem if not a bigger one than Wenger. The only reason he's bought arsenal and stuck around is due to the way Wenger runs the club. Keep in mind we spent that 100m following a summer where we only bought cech, and we've followed up that 100m summer with arguably the worst window ever under Wenger. Kroenke and wenger have a symbiotic relationship - Wenger keeps his job, kroenke keeps his profits. If a new manager comes in, new ownership is needed in tandem

Didn't the Glazers do exactly the same with United? Fergusson kept building title winning sides anyhow. Kroenke may be the bigger problem but if Wenger spends last season's £100 Mn better - on players that he doesn't feel like getting rid of in a year, then we might not have been in this position at all. I don't for a second believe that Kroenke froze all spending in the summer of 2015 after signing Cech. 

Wenger's methods are outdated. Footballers, young or otherwise are different to the footballers of the nineties and early noughties. His man management skills don't work with them. He isn't ruthless enough. Fergusson took help, Wenger wants to control everything. I don't want to even talk of bizarre tactics because I feel player appeasement is at the core of it. We need a new manager, ousting an ownership is much harder.

This is key. We bring up Ferguson but that man was a freak and, on top of that, he frequently changed up his coaching staff to bring in fresh ideas. Other than him though - how many other top managers from the 90s are still managing a Champions league club? Not many and Wenger's stubbornness and inability to reflect is making a difficult situation worse.

Fergie was far more flexible, ruthless and generally had more resources at his disposal, even post glazer takeover. I wouldn't compare Uniteds circumstances to ours too much

Wenger is the biggest value proposition for kroenkes investment. He's going nowhere while Stan remains in charge, hence why hopefully an equal amount of ire is directed at him this season

United have spent more than any other club in the past 4 or 5 years. It's not remotely comparable.

Not touching upon the last 4-5 years and anyhow even Fergusson spent a lot of money at a time when United fans weren't happy with the Glazers' takeover of the club and subsequent manner of running it.

Just saying that Kroenke hasn't frozen funds even if rumours of him wanting to pile up cash to get banks to give him a better deal on stadium financing are true. No one really knows what's going on, but I will be astounded if at the start of the summer transfer window the target given to Wenger was to finish cash positive without too many compromises on quality.

Hope we see half empty stadiums moving forward

The club doesn't deserve our support

But there's no way you can believe the instruction was the build a title winning squad? I don't think he's sitting on a stack of cash but the man has no real interest or ambition and has overseen this period of horrible mismanagement.

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:

Hope we see half empty stadiums moving forward

The club doesn't deserve our support

Absolutely. This is what we will see, too.

Gazza M wrote:

Wenger is the biggest value proposition for kroenkes investment.

Not really, not any more.

Not sure how the current state of affairs is doing Kroenke's investment any good.

Qwiss! wrote:
Gazza M wrote:

Wenger is the biggest value proposition for kroenkes investment.

Not really, not any more.

in stan's eyes he clearly is. he's the one who overruled people to give him another contract

we may have reached the point where the arsenal brand is in actual jeopardy, and stan starts to think about selling up

We are an absolute joke!!!

Haven't been this pissed off in a long time !!

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert wrote:
@lorddulaarsenal wrote:

Hope we see half empty stadiums moving forward

The club doesn't deserve our support

Absolutely. This is what we will see, too.

I doubt it

It's like Old Trafford on steroids. There will always be tourists and daytrippers to snap up tickets, even if every single season ticketholder and the entire waitlist boycotts the club. I suspect you'd really only see attendance suffer for FA Cup and League Cup matches.

As for Wenger, he's the highest paid manager in the world. The only people who think he's the best manager in the world are Kroenke and Wenger. We could easily do so much better.

Another question for the gang. You don't think if we mirrored Chelsea or Leicester's seasons and were in or near the relegation zone in the winter, that Wenger would be sacked?

I personally think he would (money talks), and rationally, that means the harder we tank, the better. That gives us more time to salvage the season once a new manager is brought in. I think if we lost 7-8 matches on the trot, that could do it.

I would be fine with losing a season to get rid of Wenger,but unfortunately that thieving fucking bastard Kroenke will still be here.

kamikaze wrote:

Another question for the gang. You don't think if we mirrored Chelsea or Leicester's seasons and were in or near the relegation zone in the winter, that Wenger would be sacked?

I think that's the one scenario where he might actually be sacked, yeah.

I'd rather not find out, because once we're down there we might not be able to avoid relegation. That would be a pretty huge nail in the coffin for the club.

kamikaze wrote:

As for Wenger, he's the highest paid manager in the world.

No he's not. 😆

Except we're never going to get anywehere close to a relegation zone in the winter. There is a lot of things wrong at the moment but those talks about losing 7 games on the trot and avoiding relegation is some serious exaggeration. And two away loses in the first three games plus "losing" the never effective Chamberlain doesn't really change that.

We've made TomasCR come out of hiding. That's how bad it's become!

TomasCR wrote:

Except we're never going to get anywehere close to a relegation zone in the winter. There is a lot of things wrong at the moment but those talks about losing 7 games on the trot and avoiding relegation is some serious exaggeration. And two away loses in the first three games plus "losing" the never effective Chamberlain doesn't really change that.

Pretty much.

Thomas CR talking like a man who benefitted from his sabattical.

I guess we'd all like to hear Wenger and the board explain themselves but that won't happen.

We'll get Gazadis saying he's convinced we can compete in every competition we're in

TomasCR wrote:

Except we're never going to get anywehere close to a relegation zone in the winter. There is a lot of things wrong at the moment but those talks about losing 7 games on the trot and avoiding relegation is some serious exaggeration.

Was Chelsea's squad that year relegation caliber? Did Leicester go from the best team in the country to the 17th best in a span of 4 months? Sounds crazy, but if everyone gives 80% instead of 95%, those types of results aren't implausible.

Like those teams, I'm talking about hypothetically losing those games on purpose. No one believes this team is now headed for relegation... [rolls eyes]

And remember, as much as we hate Gazidis, it's reported that he tried to sound out Zorc to join us as sporting director from Dortmund. We get Wenger out and perhaps that sort of transition becomes possible.

kamikaze wrote:

And remember, as much as we hate Gazidis, it's reported that he tried to sound out Zorc to join us as sporting director from Dortmund. We get Wenger out and perhaps that sort of transition becomes possible.

Ironically I have a little more time for Gazidis since he was on the side that apparently put more pressure on Wenger and also put forward the recommendation to have a DoF. Can't be easy being stuck between Wenger and Kroenke.

Whatever he's stance on Wenger he's responsible for plenty of our failings too. I no longer has time for his bullshit.

If it's true that Kroenke overruled him by siding with Wenger then his position as CEO is very much undermined.
I think it's more likely that getting a DOF was not his default position but something he had to consider with the season threatening to be a complete disaster.
Of course the real disaster was winning the FA Cup as it resulted in no real change.

Winning the FA Cup was not the real disaster.
That's a ridiculous suggestion.

TomasCR wrote:

Except we're never going to get anywehere close to a relegation zone in the winter. There is a lot of things wrong at the moment but those talks about losing 7 games on the trot and avoiding relegation is some serious exaggeration. And two away loses in the first three games plus "losing" the never effective Chamberlain doesn't really change that.

Only Sunderland concede more shots on target over 2017, we were on 122 they were on 133. Not great.

We as a run where we could only get points from noon league teams, that was a month long run. Not great.

When I see a team with this many faces who aren't going to be committed, others who don't really have the quality and others who are likely to be injured for long stretches. I see us collapsing quickly on the evidence that the team won't get back into their CL places.

Bold Tone wrote:

This what it got us leading to the same-old same-old status quo with our rivals leaving us further behind.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/10898500/arsene-wenger-signs-two-year-arsenal-contract
It's a disaster for me but not for you that the FA Cup win lead to Wenger signing that new 2 year deal.
My opinion is ridiculous to you and yours is ridiculous to me.

e: just noticed it's my 10,000th post.  😃

It's a fact not an opinion that winning an FA Cup is not a "real disaster"

It's an opinion not a fact that Wenger only survived because we won the FA Cup.

Winning the FA cup is a fact but so is ballsing up the transfer window.
Believing that winning the FA Cup lead to Wenger signing leading to the afore-mentioned ballsing up is an opinion.
Simples.

"Believing that winning the FA Cup lead to Wenger signing ...... is an opinion."

=

"It's an opinion...... that Wenger only survived because we won the FA Cup."

Basically there's agreement there.

I'm right  😆

Have no idea how you went down that corridor of thought but as i said my opinion is "the real disaster was winning the FA Cup as it resulted in no real change."