Rohit wrote:

Think we will be fine once we change manager. Kroenke may not be the ideal owner but we did spend upwards of £100 Mn last season.

21 years in charge, a large part of that reign without success has brought a sense of staleness. So many people across so many other disciplines guilty of the same - not knowing when to leave.

Let's just bring in a new manager with a new staff and fresh ideas in sync with the footballing landscape today and I am sure we will benefit more from the good that Wenger did in the past than suffer from the damage he is causing right now.

Not sure how you can't see kroenke being as big a problem if not a bigger one than Wenger. The only reason he's bought arsenal and stuck around is due to the way Wenger runs the club. Keep in mind we spent that 100m following a summer where we only bought cech, and we've followed up that 100m summer with arguably the worst window ever under Wenger. Kroenke and wenger have a symbiotic relationship - Wenger keeps his job, kroenke keeps his profits. If a new manager comes in, new ownership is needed in tandem

Why doesn't he just sell the club? He will make millions on top of what he bought in for.

Gazza M wrote:

Rohit wrote:

Think we will be fine once we change manager. Kroenke may not be the ideal owner but we did spend upwards of £100 Mn last season.

21 years in charge, a large part of that reign without success has brought a sense of staleness. So many people across so many other disciplines guilty of the same - not knowing when to leave.

Let's just bring in a new manager with a new staff and fresh ideas in sync with the footballing landscape today and I am sure we will benefit more from the good that Wenger did in the past than suffer from the damage he is causing right now.

Not sure how you can't see kroenke being as big a problem if not a bigger one than Wenger. The only reason he's bought arsenal and stuck around is due to the way Wenger runs the club. Keep in mind we spent that 100m following a summer where we only bought cech, and we've followed up that 100m summer with arguably the worst window ever under Wenger. Kroenke and wenger have a symbiotic relationship - Wenger keeps his job, kroenke keeps his profits. If a new manager comes in, new ownership is needed in tandem

Didn't the Glazers do exactly the same with United? Fergusson kept building title winning sides anyhow. Kroenke may be the bigger problem but if Wenger spends last season's £100 Mn better - on players that he doesn't feel like getting rid of in a year, then we might not have been in this position at all. I don't for a second believe that Kroenke froze all spending in the summer of 2015 after signing Cech. 

Wenger's methods are outdated. Footballers, young or otherwise are different to the footballers of the nineties and early noughties. His man management skills don't work with them. He isn't ruthless enough. Fergusson took help, Wenger wants to control everything. I don't want to even talk of bizarre tactics because I feel player appeasement is at the core of it. We need a new manager, ousting an ownership is much harder.

Rohit wrote:

Gazza M wrote:

Not sure how you can't see kroenke being as big a problem if not a bigger one than Wenger. The only reason he's bought arsenal and stuck around is due to the way Wenger runs the club. Keep in mind we spent that 100m following a summer where we only bought cech, and we've followed up that 100m summer with arguably the worst window ever under Wenger. Kroenke and wenger have a symbiotic relationship - Wenger keeps his job, kroenke keeps his profits. If a new manager comes in, new ownership is needed in tandem

Didn't the Glazers do exactly the same with United? Fergusson kept building title winning sides anyhow. Kroenke may be the bigger problem but if Wenger spends last season's £100 Mn better - on players that he doesn't feel like getting rid of in a year, then we might not have been in this position at all. I don't for a second believe that Kroenke froze all spending in the summer of 2015 after signing Cech. 

Wenger's methods are outdated. Footballers, young or otherwise are different to the footballers of the nineties and early noughties. His man management skills don't work with them. He isn't ruthless enough. Fergusson took help, Wenger wants to control everything. I don't want to even talk of bizarre tactics because I feel player appeasement is at the core of it. We need a new manager, ousting an ownership is much harder.

This is key. We bring up Ferguson but that man was a freak and, on top of that, he frequently changed up his coaching staff to bring in fresh ideas. Other than him though - how many other top managers from the 90s are still managing a Champions league club? Not many and Wenger's stubbornness and inability to reflect is making a difficult situation worse.

Fergie was far more flexible, ruthless and generally had more resources at his disposal, even post glazer takeover. I wouldn't compare Uniteds circumstances to ours too much

Wenger is the biggest value proposition for kroenkes investment. He's going nowhere while Stan remains in charge, hence why hopefully an equal amount of ire is directed at him this season

Just want to wake up to good news. Just once.

United have spent more than any other club in the past 4 or 5 years. It's not remotely comparable.

Not touching upon the last 4-5 years and anyhow even Fergusson spent a lot of money at a time when United fans weren't happy with the Glazers' takeover of the club and subsequent manner of running it.

Just saying that Kroenke hasn't frozen funds even if rumours of him wanting to pile up cash to get banks to give him a better deal on stadium financing are true. No one really knows what's going on, but I will be astounded if at the start of the summer transfer window the target given to Wenger was to finish cash positive without too many compromises on quality.

Hope we see half empty stadiums moving forward

The club doesn't deserve our support

But there's no way you can believe the instruction was the build a title winning squad? I don't think he's sitting on a stack of cash but the man has no real interest or ambition and has overseen this period of horrible mismanagement.

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:

Hope we see half empty stadiums moving forward

The club doesn't deserve our support

Absolutely. This is what we will see, too.

Gazza M wrote:

Wenger is the biggest value proposition for kroenkes investment.

Not really, not any more.

Not sure how the current state of affairs is doing Kroenke's investment any good.

Qwiss! wrote:

Gazza M wrote:

Wenger is the biggest value proposition for kroenkes investment.

Not really, not any more.

in stan's eyes he clearly is. he's the one who overruled people to give him another contract

we may have reached the point where the arsenal brand is in actual jeopardy, and stan starts to think about selling up

No doubt whatsoever that the brand is in jeopardy.

We are an absolute joke!!!

Haven't been this pissed off in a long time !!

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert wrote:

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:

Hope we see half empty stadiums moving forward

The club doesn't deserve our support

Absolutely. This is what we will see, too.

I doubt it

It's like Old Trafford on steroids. There will always be tourists and daytrippers to snap up tickets, even if every single season ticketholder and the entire waitlist boycotts the club. I suspect you'd really only see attendance suffer for FA Cup and League Cup matches.

As for Wenger, he's the highest paid manager in the world. The only people who think he's the best manager in the world are Kroenke and Wenger. We could easily do so much better.

Another question for the gang. You don't think if we mirrored Chelsea or Leicester's seasons and were in or near the relegation zone in the winter, that Wenger would be sacked?

I personally think he would (money talks), and rationally, that means the harder we tank, the better. That gives us more time to salvage the season once a new manager is brought in. I think if we lost 7-8 matches on the trot, that could do it.