mdgoonah41 wrote:have you ever heard a manager from a supposed top club explain his lack of spending is down to having the pay the gardener, the cooks, and the parking attendants? im seriously still trying to comprehend how he could have said that yesterday.
the question is still unanswered, and i really hope there are tough questions asked at the next shareholder meeting.
I think he overdid the sarcasm part. I would like to think he is not serious.
he says so much crazy, bizarre shit these days, how can you really be sure? the other day he counted sanogo as one of our options at striker
More money to buy better players to make the squad stronger in order to achieve more domestically and in Europe, which will then make us more money, then just repeat...
We have to improve commercially, we lack that so so much compared to the juggernauts in Europe.
Savz wrote:More money to buy better players to make the squad stronger in order to achieve more domestically and in Europe, which will then make us more money, then just repeat...
We have to improve commercially, we lack that so so much compared to the juggernauts in Europe.
Anyone whos spent there way to the top has written off about a billion in debt. Proving that doesn't actually work. At least as a main plan.
The swiss ramble artice reckoned we had about 70Mish left after xhaka, holding. I really hope we spend it just to stop the moaning about it. Then we can continue to break even like we do now and develop players no matter who the manager is we can't buy 3 WC players on 250/300k per week. We're going to ahve to develop players. And pick up bargains. And get one bigish addition each year.
one of the biggest problems i have, right now, is the way we continually miss out on the top players when they are young and at small clubs. finding those types of players used to be something we really did well. considering wenger's hatred of paying market price for players, youd think he'd have diverted large chunks of our money into our scouting system and in paying fees for the best 17-18 year old kids in europe. instead, hes splashed out big money for young english players, and it hasnt really paid off yet. the £15m he spent on chambers could have been used to buy multiple young players. the spuds bought dier for £4m that summer. mane came in to southampton for £10m. calhanoglu moved for £12m that summer. atletico signed griezmann for £24m that summer. barca paid like £15m for rakitic that summer. sevilla signed krychowiak for £4m.
the point being, wenger consistently says that fans just want him to spend for the sake of spending, and that to find quality, you have to pay over the odds. europe is littered with top quality players who moved between the age of 18-24 for fees of less than what we spent on chambers. we're either just not identifying them correctly or we're not making much of an effort. paying £4m for krychowiak in 2014 would have paid for itself 8 times over in the last 2 years. where were we? why didnt we identify him before he went to sevilla and only became interested after his first season in spain after his transfer value had more than quintupled?
We should have sold out to Usmanov. #73 richest person on the planet.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing! It is very easy to pick a few success stories like that from around Europe, disregarding the real number of annual transfers concerning players in the 18-23 age bracket. It's not like we aren't signing players like the Jeff, Holding, Chambers, Gnabry, Bielik and on and on. Getting it right though, and getting a top player out at the other end, is something pretty much every club struggles with.
Rex wrote:Hindsight is a wonderful thing! It is very easy to pick a few success stories like that from around Europe, disregarding the real number of annual transfers concerning players in the 18-23 age bracket. It's not like we aren't signing players like the Jeff, Holding, Chambers, Gnabry, Bielik and on and on. Getting it right though, and getting a top player out at the other end, is something pretty much every club struggles with.
bellerin is the only young player we've signed in the last 5-6 years that, at this time, looks like he would start regularly in a title winning team. that is sort of my point. we haven't signed enough of these talents. bielik and holding cost like £2m each, they are good gambles, but we havent really delivered in terms of volume. as you say, there is a high failure rate.
but that wasn't my only point. the other point is that established players who maybe werent stars, but certainly werent unknown, move for £10-15m every summer. they dont require breaking the bank, they just require clearing out some of the underperformers in our own squad to make room. given our manager's french pedigree, why was he not interested in griezmann when he went to atletico? surely we could have paid more than £24m for him. surely wenger saw the potential. now he would cost triple that.
In all honesty, it is tough to sign lots of cheap young potential stars. We've got one star we created in our ranks. City have none. United have none. And Chelsea have none. The reality is that most good young players are being snapped up early, particularly by teams that have greater financial constraints than us. What we need to do is be brave about the relatively established kids - your Gabigols and Inakis. These guys aren't cheap. We'd be spending 20-30m pounds easily on this level of player. So you need to be brave about how you accelerate the exits of failed players like Ox, Walcott, Gabriel etc., to bring them on board.
Claudius wrote:In all honesty, it is tough to sign lots of cheap young potential stars. We've got one star we created in our ranks. City have none. United have none. And Chelsea have none. The reality is that most good young players are being snapped up early, particularly by teams that have greater financial constraints than us. What we need to do is be brave about the relatively established kids - your Gabigols and Inakis. These guys aren't cheap. We'd be spending 20-30m pounds easily on this level of player. So you need to be brave about how you accelerate the exits of failed players like Ox, Walcott, Gabriel etc., to bring them on board.
chelsea signed zouma for £12m and courtois for £7m
I don't personally like what Chelsea was (maybe still are) doing; they were playing the numbers game, stockpiling young players. They buy in bulk, loan them out relying on other clubs to develop the players, then only give a chance, maybe, to the one or two who come out the other side, often years down the line. That's not something to strive for IMO, and it shouldn't be allowed to operate like that.
Claudius wrote:In all honesty, it is tough to sign lots of cheap young potential stars. We've got one star we created in our ranks. City have none. United have none. And Chelsea have none.
Do you mean youth development? JT is still at Chelsea and Hart is still, for the time being, at City.
Or am I mistaken?
The best we can hope for when Wenger goes is to have simeone tactical astute enough to pick up scraps around Europe and drill us into a solid unit. Pretty much what Athletico are doing.
Savz wrote:Claudius wrote:In all honesty, it is tough to sign lots of cheap young potential stars. We've got one star we created in our ranks. City have none. United have none. And Chelsea have none.
Do you mean youth development? JT is still at Chelsea and Hart is still, for the time being, at City.
Or am I mistaken?
Joe Hart wasn't developed at City. We may as well take credit for Walcott, Bellerin, Ox, Ramsey, etc if thats the case.
Yep, Hart was 19 when he joined City and had played a full season in League two for Shrewsbury.
Qwiss! wrote:Savz wrote:Do you mean youth development? JT is still at Chelsea and Hart is still, for the time being, at City.
Or am I mistaken?
Joe Hart wasn't developed at City. We may as well take credit for Walcott, Bellerin, Ox, Ramsey, etc if thats the case.
We should take full credit for all of those.
Of course we'll take credit for them.
If we aren't taking credit for Ramsey, who is? Cardiff?
Well Claudius talked about one home grown star, so to me that would be Wilshere. Those other guys aren't proper home grown players, just players we got young-ish and finished developing.
Yeah I agree. Otherwise United might as well take credit for Martial.
I would take credit for all of them, but Bellerin particularly is an Arsenal product by any reasonable criteria.
