i think anyone you sign at 16 or younger you should take credit for. but we're getting off track here.
wenger apparently answered my original question. we're saving £200M to pay our staff
what is the money for? what is the long term plan?
I'd take credit for any young player who hasn't made it as a footballer at the top level.
Qwiss! wrote:Well Claudius talked about one home grown star, so to me that would be Wilshere. Those other guys aren't proper home grown players, just players we got young-ish and finished developing.
Sorry, it should be two. I counted Bellerin as homegrown and had forgotten Jack. Absolutely right.
Point is that nobody in the Premier League has mastered this. Only Southampton, and we know the real quality of their academy products. Just ask Liverpool and Arsenal.
mdgoonah41 wrote:i think anyone you sign at 16 or younger you should take credit for. but we're getting off track here.
wenger apparently answered my original question. we're saving £200M to pay our staff
You know I could live with that if they paid the staff serving food, drink, merch, etc and the cleaners and all the other non-football staff massive money. At least its better than them sitting on it waiting for Kroenke to cash in.
the most hilarious part of it is that there was some kind of controversy last year or the year before about arsenal paying their staff below the living wage, wasnt there?
mdgoonah41 wrote:the most hilarious part of it is that there was some kind of controversy last year or the year before about arsenal paying their staff below the living wage, wasnt there?
It seems so, I never read the story but I've seen it mentioned a few places since Wengers ridiculous comments.
They pay above living wage. I'm absolutely certain of that.
this was the article i was thinking of, from november 2015
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-urged-pay-living-wage-6784225
A protest will be staged before Sunday's north London derby to urge Arsenal to pay the living wage to all members off staff.
The club currently pay staff directly employed by them a living wage, but many who work for the club through third parties do not receive as much.
Campaign groups will step up their attempts to get all top club to adhere to the request, which has increased by 25p to £9.40 in London, and by 40p to £8.25 in the rest of the UK.
Fans will join the protest ahead of the clash against the Gunners' bitter rivals Tottenham.
Gary Doolan, of the GMB union, which is supporting the protest, said: "Arsenal is a very wealthy football club with stars paid millions of pounds a year so it can afford to pay cleaners, caterers and security staff a living wage."
A spokesman for Arsenal said: "We pay all our people good rates which are above the London Living Wage. This includes permanent and fixed term employees and workers. As an example, match day stewards are paid £9.50p an hour. This means that rates for all our employees already exceed the Government's 2020 national living wage target. It also goes beyond the Premier League’s recent resolution which we fully supported.
"In terms of third party contractors, pay conditions form part of our renewal discussions as those contracts come up for renewal. Our recent maintenance contract with CBRE, for example, contains an undertaking by CBRE that their employees are paid at least the London Living Wage.
"Pay conditions will form a part of the discussion when our cleaning contract comes up for renewal and are included in on-going discussions with our caterers."
Okay. So that confirms what I said.
Choosing to contract out services does not absolve the responsibility to ensure workers are paid reasonably. Anyway, it's just another example that modern elite football is primarily a commercial enterprise, with all the associated ethical issues. Every new season makes me think I should just ignore it and enjoy local amateur football instead....if only it didn't make my eyes bleed!!
Out of his own pocket, Wenger could pay each of the six hundred employees he mentions an extra £5k pa, or perhaps about £2.50 per hour on average more than they currently earn—so about a 25% raise for those match day stewards—and afterward would still be comfortably receiving more than half of his present remuneration package.
I'm thinking he should talk less about the importance of seeing these people get paid fairly.
That would assume that he didn't include all of the blokes earning millions in his '600 employee' statement.
I think you still get his point though Captain.
Wenger is a deceptive hypocrite who constantly whines about the distorted economics of modern football (transfers, wages etc) but is still happy to receive an obscene salary...despite no longer even being very good at his job.
If there's no club, nobody gets paid whether you earn £10k or £10m. Wenger's statement was absolutely ridiculous, yes.
Yes there is it's called Bolton. I know people who worked with the first team and never got paid.
They be idiots.
This new Rex is cold!
Daz wrote:Choosing to contract out services does not absolve the responsibility to ensure workers are paid reasonably. Anyway, it's just another example that modern elite football is primarily a commercial enterprise, with all the associated ethical issues. Every new season makes me think I should just ignore it and enjoy local amateur football instead....if only it didn't make my eyes bleed!!
Standard procedure for the vast majority of big businesses indeed. Outsourcing is the labour issue and I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if our club was "competitive" in this field of business at least