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Javier "Chicharito" Hernández

Tactics

Qwiss! wrote:
Tactics wrote:
If we are going to sign a runner with mediocre all-round game, I'd rather this guy than Vardy. At least you know the Mexican scores goals wherever he goes. Not my cup of tea though

Nah Chicarito is like Vardy with less goals, less fight and less all round game.

If its deadline day and its Chicarito or nobody I'd take nobody.

Vardy with less goals? He outscored Vardy last season (albeit with 2 games more played). He's a more proven goalscorer at the highest level, younger, better in the air, better weaker foot. They have both got mediocre all-round game, the reason why I wouldn't sign either of them but will choose Chicarito for reasons I just mentioned.

Ricky1985

He only scored 17 goals in the Bundesliga, hardly anything worth shouting about.

Tactics

Again, that's a flawed way of looking at it. 17 goals from How many matches? you have to factor in how many matches he played

QuincyAbeyie

Ricky1985 wrote:
He only scored 17 goals in the Bundesliga, hardly anything worth shouting about.

I think Tactics is counting cup goals and international goals for Chicharito, but for some reason not Vardy's international goals.

jones

His ratio is good, he's a good finisher and definitely a better option up front than Welbeck. Highly limited footballer though and I wouldn't have him here over Giroud let alone as our new shining #9

Ray

He is a good age and short term fix.

Tactics

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Ricky1985 wrote:
He only scored 17 goals in the Bundesliga, hardly anything worth shouting about.

I think Tactics is counting cup goals and international goals for Chicharito, but for some reason not Vardy's international goals.

Wiki is my source: 26 from 40 for Chicarito and 24 from 38 for Vardy

Are you disputing the numbers ? if so, source please.

Meatwad

Ricky1985 wrote:
He only scored 17 goals in the Bundesliga, hardly anything worth shouting about.

well the bundesliga plays less league games anyway and he only played in 28 of the league games.

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
I think Tactics is counting cup goals and international goals for Chicharito, but for some reason not Vardy's international goals.

the reason vardy's international goals aren't counted is because they aren't counted for chicharito either, those are his goals for leverkusen in the league, domestic and european cups.

QuincyAbeyie

I was wrong, thought continental was international matches. Nevertheless, I think 24 goals and 6 assists (30) in the league is much more impressive than 17 goals and 2 assists (19) in a far weaker league and more goals in the cups.

Meatwad

in what fantasy world is the bundesliga a far weaker league? jesus christ you all overrate the premier league. leicester city just won it. as in real life too many confuse rich with excellence. when you have a team bidding 25m for deeny you can see how having more money doesn't increase the quality.

QuincyAbeyie

Nah, Premier League is clearly the second strongest league far behind La Liga. Serie A might be stronger than Bundesliga too.

Tactics

Bundesliga far weaker than the PL? 😆

This is no longer 2007-2009 mate

jones

I watch both leagues regularly and I'd definitely say the EPL is a good bit better than the Bundesliga.

goon

Aside from the goals Vardy has a lot more about him in my opinion.

Klaus

Bundesliga is entertaining but there are some dirt poor teams.

Here's a reliable source suggesting that Vardy scored 28 goals in 43 games last year: https://www.whoscored.com/Players/106981/

Same site has Chicharito on 27 goals in 44 games: https://www.whoscored.com/Players/35003/

It's not just about the goals though. Vardy brings a ton more stuff to the field, not just in terms of skills but also attitude and mentality, evidenced by him being a dominant reason Leicester won the Premier League.

Tactics

I watch both leagues too, I think they are around the same level. The PL has got more money in it and thus more teams that can spend big on players but the Bundesliga teams generally play better football and are better tactically IMO. I don't think it's easier to score in the German league at all

Tactics

Are people really disputing the fact that the Mexican is the more proven goalscorer at the highest level despite being younger?

Sorry those vague attributes ("attitude" , "mental strength") don't do it for me, they are both very average footballers who can run fast and score goals - at least Chicarito has shown he's a good goalscorer over the years, we have to wait and see with Vardy

jones

The bottom half of the Bundesliga (starting from 8th place already in fact) is utter garbage and painful to watch at the best of times. I would know, I have to watch one of those teams every week.

This has nothing to do with Hernandez btw. He came into a new league and took the step very well and was impressive overall in a rollercoaster of a season at Leverkusen. I'd still rather Vardy because of his much higher workrate, although neither is a patch on the Moratas and Higuains of this world

goon

Tactics wrote:
Are people really disputing the fact that the Mexican is the more proven goalscorer at the highest level despite being younger?

Hernandez scored at a rate of 0.35 goals per game prior to last season with his highest goal tally in the league being 13. That's not proof of anything other than mediocrity.

Tactics

BTW Klaus, you misread the stats, those 44 games includes games that Chicarito didn't even participate in. I think it's the the total amount of games he could have played. Vardy's recent goals fro England (both friendlies and the Euros) are even included

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