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Javier "Chicharito" Hernández

Tactics

goon wrote:
Tactics wrote:
Are people really disputing the fact that the Mexican is the more proven goalscorer at the highest level despite being younger?

Hernandez scored at a rate of 0.35 goals per game prior to last season, that's not proof of anything other than mediocrity.

Again, factor in minutes played. And how many did Vardy score at the highest level during that period ?

goon

A lack of mins still doesn't prove anything and just further highlights the lack of evidence. Ultimately he's highest goal tally in the league is 13 prior to last season, which means he's not a proven by any definition.

Mirth

Never mind his goal scoring, he's a pretty limited footballer. Right from time he played for United.

Tactics

Minutes do explain a lot though: if he for example scored a goal every 50 minutes over the course of 5 seasons, that would be a very good indicator of his proficiency in front of goal. Just bring up goals scored and ignoring everything else, doesn't really say a lot.

QuincyAbeyie

Just saying that he scores a goal every 50 minutes over the course of 5 seasons and ignoring that he never plays enough to make that more than 15 goals isn't the way to go.

Tactics

He could be a very good goalscorer but not play enough games to enable him score more than 15 goals a season purely for tactical reason. For example, if the manager feels that he's already got enough goals in the team but would like to have another player with different attribute (dribbling, tactical awareness etc)for the balance of the team, in that case, someone who is a pure goalscorer like Hernandez would have to settle for the bench but would still give you decent amount of goals over the course of the season. And if you wanna tell whether he's a good goalscorer, minutes to goals ratio is the best indicator, not total amount of games played.

goon

Tactics wrote:
Minutes do explain a lot though: if he for example scored a goal every 50 minutes over the course of 5 seasons, that would be a very good indicator of his proficiency in front of goal. Just bring up goals scored and ignoring everything else, doesn't really say a lot.

It's doesn't make him proven though, just like Vardy's 2 seasons don't make him proven. The idea that he'd be able to keep up a high goals v mins ratio is still a highly speculative assumption.

Clrnc

I would absolutely love him here if we have no other options and is in the last week of August. He score goals everywhere, anywhere and is an extremely good finisher. All these while while watching the Copas, I am thinking he wouldn't be a bad option if we can't sign Vardy or any top strikers. Put it this way, he would easily be in the top 5 striker in the Euros if he played here.

One thing he has over Vardy since we are comparing them is in the air. He is probably one of the best headers in the world and we know how rubbish Giroud is in the air.

Segway

Giroud is many things but rubbish in the air?

Mirth

He's not.

Clrnc

Segway wrote:
Giroud is many things but rubbish in the air?

It is not a common perception here but I find that he misses far too many easy chances in the air. He is extremely inconsistent in his heading. It would be interesting to see his conversion rate aerially.

Mirth

He's still scored the most headed goals in the league since he joined. Plus he wins plenty of long balls and knock downs. His knock down to Theo earlier in the season was exceptional

Segway

Mirth wrote:
He's still scored the most headed goals in the league since he joined. Plus he wins plenty of long balls and knock downs. His knock down to Theo earlier in the season was exceptional

Yeah always thought he was one of the best headers in the PL if not the best offensive player in the air. His headers were off target in his last game but that doesn't say much.

MistaT

Chicarito is the type of striker that I envision working well with Ozil....far more so than Giroud.

mohan

Cant we get anyone else better for god sake?

arsedocmd

Another United reject? Has Biggus spontaneously combusted yet? 😆

Please no, btw.

Rohit

Giroud is really good in the air.

Our quality of delivery isn't though and we don't get enough men in the box to contest crosses and long balls. Giroud gets all the attention. Chicarito will get killed in our side contesting aerially.

Rex

We better be aiming at getting a player better than this in.

Dillinger

mohan wrote:
Cant we get anyone else better for god sake?

I doubt it ... But the sun is shining.

mdgoonah41

a couple of things:

i dont believe anyone thinks hernandez would flourish leading the line by himself. he seems effective as a foil, playing off another striker, so maybe the thought here is what we'd be playing with 2 strikers? if so, thank fucking god, its about time.
as always, its best to compare players using the same website and looking at stats on a per 90 basis. if only there was a site we could use to do that....WAIT!

chicharito is younger. his pure goal scoring seems a bit better than vardy's, but he might not be as complete a player. if he costs slightly less, id be okay with it, as long as our plan is to play 2 strikers.

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