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Javier "Chicharito" Hernández

mdgoonah41

also, regarding the premier league v the bundesliga.

in the 2015-16 bundesliga, there were 866 goals scored in 55,080 minutes (34 games, 18 teams, 90 minutes "per game")
in the 2015-16 premier league, there were 1,026 goals scored in 68,400 minutes (38 games, 20 teams, 90 minutes "per game")

so, 1 goal every 67 minutes in the premier league, one goal every 64 minutes in the bundesliga. hardly a huge difference, imo

Clrnc

Don't Leverkusen play with one striker? Mexico as well.

mdgoonah41

i thought leverkusen used kiessling up top? looking at their stats i guess he barely played in 15/16 so maybe i was wrong. it looks like he did play lone striker.

admittedly, i didnt watch much bundesliga this year. the impression i always got was that he didnt start and play 90 minutes a lot because he wasnt really suited to play in a 1 striker formation and lead the line. physically that seems to be the case.

i dont think hes better suited that giroud to play as a lone striker in the formation we played last year. but hes much better than walcott and welbeck is a non issue since he'll miss the whole season

Jens

Fuck no. Don't want him.

Klaus

The bottom line is that I'd take him as backup to Giroud (we're short on goalscorers like Speedy said), but I'd rather not. Giroud should be the goalscoring backup to a better player going into next season. Otherwise we might as well not bother.

As for Vardy vs Chicharito, there are no comparisons really other than superficial ones. One of them is a bit-part player and the other one is the biggest reason Leicester just pulled off the biggest upset in the history of the sport.

QuincyAbeyie

Klaus wrote:
As for Vardy vs Chicharito, there are no comparisons really other than superficial ones. One of them is a bit-part player and the other one is the biggest reason Leicester just pulled off the biggest upset in the history of the sport.

That's pretty much it. If we can't get Vardy we should aim up, not down. though the rumours of Leicester bidding £25m for Deeney gives me some hope that it isn't over.

MistaT

Would have to see where both players end up but I'd take a wager bet that Chicarito will score more goals (per game) next year than Vardy will

IBL

Would have taken him a while back but not now.

QuincyAbeyie

MistaT wrote:
Would have to see where both players end up but I'd take a wager bet that Chicarito will score more goals (per game) next year than Vardy will

But you wouldn't take a wager bet that Chicharito will score more goals in total next season.. 25 goals in 38 matches helps us more than 10 goals in 12 matches.

Qwiss

Clrnc wrote:
Segway wrote:
Giroud is many things but rubbish in the air?

It is not a common perception here but I find that he misses far too many easy chances in the air. He is extremely inconsistent in his heading. It would be interesting to see his conversion rate aerially.

You've gone next level in your Giroud bashing Clrnc 😆

Coombs

Don't want Cheech.

banduan

this is completely houseboat anyway.

Clrnc

Qwiss! wrote:
You've gone next level in your Giroud bashing Clrnc 😆

Nah. I have always been consistent of the opinion that Giroud needs too many chances to head one in. He is too inconsistent in that regards. He misses 3 clear headed opportunities and then score one difficult one. I am not talking about how many aerial duels he wins, but his heading finishes.

Klaus

I kinda understand the point Clrnc is making, but I think it's the wrong way to look at it. Giroud is not a clinical finisher, and that is true whether he's using his head or his feet. He is easily one of the 3-4 most dominant attacking players in Europe in the air though. He's arguably a bad goalscorer, but you can't accuse him of being bad in the air. He wins basically everything against everyone.

Ricky1985

Giroud has come up with a lot of big headed goals for us over the years. We throw a half decent corner or freekick in and there he is to put it in. He misses some bad ones - we should have beaten Spurs at home, for example, but he missed three or four guilt edged headers - but they all miss, even the best strikers out there. He's easily as good as any one else in the Premier League at putting the ball in the net with his head.

Clrnc

Klaus wrote:
I kinda understands the point Clrnc is making, but I think it's the wrong way to look at it. Giroud is not a clinical finisher, and that is true whether he's using his head or his feet. He is easily one of the 3-4 most dominant attacking players in Europe in the air though. He's arguably a bad goalscorer, but you can't accuse him of being bad in the air. He wins basically everything against everyone.

It's a bit like Crouch and Dyzuba IMO. Obviously Giroud is more muscular and dominant but I find that tall players like that tend to have very bad technique in the air.

Chicharito is extremely clinical when given a headed chance. The one where he scored against Stoke is probably still one of the most amazing headers in recent years. It's often these shorter players that have outstanding jumps and technique in the air (e.g Klose, Larsson, Cahill, Crespo)

Klaus

You can't really compare Hernandez's knack for poaching to the heading ability of Klose and Larsson though. They were incredible in the air, not just because they were clinical but because they legitimately offered their teams another dimension in the attacking play.

Giroud is similar that way. Even if he only scores, say, one in ten headed attempts (I have no idea what the real numbers are), his dominance in the air means that he will have created 7-8 opportunities that another player wouldn't have. If he was as good at creating chances with his feet he would regularly notch up 30 goals per season.

Clrnc

Point taken, but it just means that if we have a smallish player up front we have to change our way of playing. We have enough creators in the midfield, what we really need is someone to finish the chances.

Players like Vardy and Hernandez are definitely not at that level of how Giroud brings people into play, but for that 2 or 3 more assists he gives compared to pure goal scorers like them, I think we are better off having goal scorers for a start. At home, it's not as if we really need our striker to drop deep and give another support. Stay in the box and finish one of the many chances that come into the box.

Our main problem last season is not that we don't create enough chances up front, but we don't finish them at all. Solve that root of the problem by signing a goalscorer, before we think of our plan b striker like Giroud. Hernandez is a houseboat link, but he won't be a bad backup option at all if we as usual fail to sign a top class one.

BWoolley

No thanks. Much rather sign Vincent Janssen or someone of that ilk. At least there's a hope that he can become a top quality striker.

Claudius

The more I think about it, if we go cheap and get Vardy, we should also take this guy. Reliable veteran who can come off the bench like Kanu or Wiltord. Would be an asset

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