They won't do it in my opinion, regardless of our performances. It's like Otf said - you can look at it as team spirit or what have you, but being 2-0 down to Blackpool is hardly proof of exceptional quality.

However this gives us quite a golden opportunity to end their run and then go on to win the league, which would have a potent charm.

I'm starting to feel as miffed as some others by the fact that this random Mexican kid of theirs is so much more useful than Vela.

I'm starting to feel as miffed as some others by the fact that this random Mexican kid of theirs is so much more useful than Vela.

Isn't that the truth.

I've been miffed about that since the beginning of the season, and even before that given his WC showing compared to Vela's.

otfgoon wrote:

I do.

Well theres certainly a case that added to our leadership issues, our lack of big game experience and Wenger lack of tactical nous, that some of our players clearly aren't good enough.

Xcdude24 wrote:

My question for you guys: have they peaked too early?

Afraid not Dude, traditionally they're strong finishers.
Thats borne out of years of winning it and knowing whats expected of you, something we just don't have.

United haven't peaked too early. If you actually watch them, you will notice that they are getting better as the season progresses. Plus they're finally healthy. Only Hargreaves and Valencia are missing. Rooney has had a mare of a season, but up front Berbatov finally looks like a 30 million pound striker and Cheetos or whatever his name is looks like one of the best buys of the summer (better even than Chamakh).

If United win the league, I just hope that we show the courage and ability to beat them in our remaining game.

They were one disgusting penalty call away from losing their record last night - that really was disgraceful!

Also, on the Vela-Hernandez thing, you've got to consider that Vela is a striker, always has been. We're asking him to play out wide or occasioannly up front on his own, he's not cut out for either role. Hernandez is playing alongside another striker, he's getting to do exactly what he's good at, and not being asked to contribute in ways he is not capable of.

i despise united, they always get more decisions go their way than not, they arent great to watch, and i dont think i've ever met a united fan who is actually half decent at footy themselves - you know the type, the last ones to be picked in the playground.

the one thing i dont mind city being like they now are is cos it riles united fans

horrible club

otfgoon wrote:

You're looking at it the wrong way. This was supposed to be an easy win for them, it was 3 points in the bank before the game started, yet they went 2-0 down and needed an 88th min goal to win.

You know i heard a few people make the old "stuff of champions" remark and couldn't help but think so what - we'd go to Blackpool, dominate them and win comfortably.

I'm absolutely sickened they won that match though. If they just slip up once in the coming games we'll be within 2 or 3 points, and getting that close to them could be huge.

i'm convinced they wont beat chelsea twice

I wonder what the reaction would be on here or other arsenal sites if we had done the exact same thing at bloomfield road. More importantly i'm sure the media would have made more of the penalty claim if it was us.

I don't think chelsea will beat them. Draw yes but if united lose it will be a surprise loss or we'll beat them. But if we continue to screw chances then I can see a draw on the cards at emirates too.

Seen highlights of the United game.

Just seen that there were 10 minutes of stoppage time at Blackpool. So effectively Blackpool had 10 minutes to save the game but they were knackered and had given up.

Rooney is dire this season. £200 000 a week lol!

chelsea at stamford bridge will be too much for them - this united team are hardly playing top grade stuff

chelsea usually have their number

Tony Montana wrote:

Rooney is dire this season. £200 000 a week lol!

The worry is that his goal-scoring form picks up and he starts smashing them in for the rest of the season.

I don't think they can go unbeaten, they don't look good enough to do it and I suspect that they will lose 3-4 of their remaining fixtures.

Somebody change the thread title too, it's shocking.

In the 2 matches v. Chelsea, fully expect them to win one of those games.
I would imagine that the blues will be playing hard for the 3 points.
Plus the match v. Citeh will be very interesting. Hopefully Dzeko, Tevez and Silva will be playing out of their socks for that one.

Malcolm Sex wrote:

i despise united, they always get more decisions go their way than not, they arent great to watch, and i dont think i've ever met a united fan who is actually half decent at footy themselves - you know the type, the last ones to be picked in the playground.

the one thing i dont mind city being like they now are is cos it riles united fans

horrible club

The funny thing Malcolm is that I don't begrudge City their lottery win like I did Chelsea.
City were always the joke whipping boys of Utd (like Spuds were ours) and were never a threat to anyone, their supporters know they have no history or tradition not like the deluded Nazi's from the westend, they're quite happy just to finish above Utd or beat them in a final.

Tony Montana wrote:

Rooney is dire this season. £200 000 a week lol!

And Coleen will get 100,000 of that!

Just in case anyone wasn't desperate for these cunts to lose.

It just feels so natural and easy to despise them.

The fact that they are creeping along and benefiting from some unbelievably suspect decisions just makes it more intense.

Ricky1985 wrote:

Also, on the Vela-Hernandez thing, you've got to consider that Vela is a striker, always has been. We're asking him to play out wide or occasioannly up front on his own, he's not cut out for either role. Hernandez is playing alongside another striker, he's getting to do exactly what he's good at, and not being asked to contribute in ways he is not capable of.

Exactly, but that's as much as to say that Ferguson has managed Hernandez much better than Wenger has managed Vela.

Sometimes the trouble with Arsène is that he gives the youngsters the idea that they have just as much time as they need to produce the goods. Should have just bunged Vela up top every other match and said "score goals or you're out" perhaps. That seems to be what Ferguson has done with Hernandez at just the right time in his development.

No, I don't really agree with that. We play a system that we like, that suits us, and if Carlos can't find his way into that system where he can contribute effectively, then he'll have to move on. That won't mean he's a bad player, it will just mean he's not got the game that we need him to have to play here.

He has serious talent, we've all seen that at different times, but he does have weaknesses in his game that stop him from playing effectively at either of the two positions we have open for him. Maybe he'll go on loan, find his form, and improve his game enough to make it here? Or maybe he'll go on loan to Spain, play as a second striker, bang in a load of goals, and then move on, and always be the talented but limited player that he is? Either way, this loan is a big one for him.

Point on Hernandez is that if you put him up front on his own in our system, where Vela has occasionally been asked to play, his lack of touch, lack of awareness, poor passing ability, lack of strength, poor hold-up play, and an inability to drop deep and link play, would all be badly exposed, and he'd look a poor player - albeit a poor player that can finish well, just like Vela. Hernandez was bought by United with a specific role in mind, a more developed and expensive footballer. Vela was bought 5 years ago, as a special talent, yet to be developed, and we've changed our system about 5 times since then, too! Just unfortunate really, but it's up to him to develop his all-round game and become a better player if he wants to make it here. We ask alot of the individual players in our team, they've got to be good at alot of different things.