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Keys & Gray - Partners in Sexism

Xcdude24

Sky was between a rock and a hard place: do nothing, they get labeled sexist by people on the left.

At the end of the day, I think it's unfair that Gray got the sack for this. He technically made those comments off air, so technically none of this should have been made public. It's one thing if his remarks were made during the match, when he's officially representing sky. But at the end of the day, you know damn well that SCORES of sky employees have made similar comments off-air.

y va marquer

You know too that scores of employees across the land wouldn't make it to lunch time if someone overhearing and taking offence at someone else's PRIVATE conversation constituted a sackable offence.

We were talking about that today at work and we figured most of us wouldn't make it to 10 am.

Klaus

I'm more shocked over the fact that Sky have been paying Andy Gray £2 million a year for a job a potty-trained monkey could do better, if what Captain said is true.

Captain

£1.7M apparently Klaus.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350449/Andy-Gray-sacked-Sky-THIRD-tape-sexist-remarks-Charlotte-Jackson.html

Biggus

Gurgen wrote:
I'm not a fan of female officials in an all-male game, but when you decide to give one of them stick it would be good idea to wait till she has done something wrong first. She made the correct decision.

Tee hee- Looks like Gurgen is giving you some stiff competition for funniest guy on the forum Malcolm.....

Gazza M

God I hope they don't ask Arsh's opinion on this

Hi Andrey! You know I love football! And mostly because of you, I want to really thank you for that. But the problem is that I’m a girl, but I really love to play. A lot of people say that it’s a men's game. What shall I do? After all, I want to do it professionally. What do you think about girls playing football?
Arshavin: When girls like football, I think it’s ok. But I think that the level of women's football is too low to take it seriously.

Andrey, what do you think about smoking. Do you smoke? If not, have you ever tried to?
Thank you and good luck!
Arshavin: When I was 15 or 16 years old I tried it. I do not smoke and I don’t approve of smoking especially by women.

I’ve already written you three letters but they haven’t been delivered...Well ... My name is Olga, I’m 13 years old. I go out for football and I’m your biggest fan..... Well, my dad does not allow me to play football but I want to…- Andrey, tell me what to do?
Arshavin: Listen to your Dad.

Burnwinter

y va marquer wrote:
You know too that scores of employees across the land wouldn't make it to lunch time if someone overhearing and taking offence at someone else's PRIVATE conversation constituted a sackable offence.

We were talking about that today at work and we figured most of us wouldn't make it to 10 am.

Don't really buy that argument.

Real private conversations don't get captured on camera and broadcast to an audience of millions. There are plenty of situations in the workplace where a "private" comment like that could get you sacked. Email notifications popping up during management presentations saying "Farkin hell Boss X is a jobsworth cunt", or leaving the lapel mike on when you retire to the front row of the mind-bendingly boring technical conference. You just have to not fuck up.

The real double standard is the amount this oaf was getting paid.

kamikaze

i agree with burnwinter, they were stupid and exercised poor judgment. yea, it's the kind of banter that guys engage in all the time, but we do it down the pub or at lunch with friends, not at work with a microphone on.

gotta love the arshavin q&a, though.

Xcdude24

I don't know if this one's been posted, but here's footage of Keys asking Redknapp a slightly risque question:

Claudius

Meh. They're just talking like men. No problem with that.

As for complaining that the assistant referee was a woman, well, she went out and did a job and showed them to be ignorant. I don't think the comments themselves are worth firing these guys for, but the excessive publicity arising from them surely left Sky in a position where it had to respond with a firing.

Pepe LeFrits

I think Sky have really bungled this and I reckon Gray has a good case in the courts; which apparently he is looking into. I imagine Keys is lawyering up too.

Gray's an oaf, but he wasn't fired following a sexual harrassment complaint (by the looks of it), he was fired for PR reasons. The anonymous releasing of these clips is quite sinister and it makes it look like someone at Sky is rail-roading him out of the place. If people at Sky had genuine sexual harrassment concerns they should have filed grievances and it should have been dealt with privately. A public trial by television is embarrassing, ridiculous (check out forums with people micro-analysing screen grabs of the clips), and unjust.

Claudius

Pepe, I sypmathise with Sky. They probably had a sit down with their marketing and legal folk and decided the noise wasn't worth it. By taking action, they hope to reduce all the negative publicity, and then they can deal quietly with whatever legal proceedings may arise from the firings.

They might also have hoped that the public roasting is so intense that Gray would be nervous about legal action / public war against Sky because activists / media could spin this to suggest that he is unrepentant about his comments.

Captain

Skysports needs some fresh blood anyway; just hope to god that they don't consider promoting Redknapp any further and everyone is a winner.

Timbob

Keys comes across as a complete dickhead in that clip. He sounds like he's making an effort to fit in with the others, doesn't appear natural at all.

Gurgen

Biggus wrote:
Gurgen wrote:
I'm not a fan of female officials in an all-male game, but when you decide to give one of them stick it would be good idea to wait till she has done something wrong first. She made the correct decision.

Tee hee- Looks like Gurgen is giving you some stiff competition for funniest guy on the forum Malcolm.....

Easy there Andy.

Just focus on finding a new job now.

Lukazan

Ruud on his phone. 😆

Captain

Tim wrote:
Keys comes across as a complete dickhead in that clip. He sounds like he's making an effort to fit in with the others, doesn't appear natural at all.

Exactly what I thought.

Captain

Lukazan wrote:
Ruud on his phone. 😆

😆

Not interested in the slightest.

Timbob

Keys has gone now. Fresh start for Sky, which could be a good thing.

James

They've really pissed someone off at Sky, huh? Embarrassing comments, but i have to agree with Pepe's last paragraph.

Just hope Redknapp doesn't get anymore air time, which i can see happening.

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