mohan wrote:
How did Euron and Cercei plot to bring the armies via sea when they did not even believe the night walkers? The scene is poorly written
the scene was close to perfectly written, actually. cersei had no intention of helping dany/jon. the entire thing was a ruse. cersei and euron had presumably agreed that he was leaving either way to go and get the golden company in essos, him walking out like he was scared was meant to sell the deception. her coming back and agreeing to stand down and help fight was the last part of the con game.
Klaus wrote:
Speaking of zombies, this whole plot where they have to capture a wight to prove to Cersei (who has a 7 ft 2 undead bodyguard) that the dead can reanimate has to be the most ridiculous nonsense the show has ever pulled.
here is the question i pose to you and everyone else who has complained about the plot arc this season: how would you write it differently? they clearly only have an outline with bullet points right now. presumably, 3 of those bullet points are "jamie turns on cersei, the wall comes down, jon and dany form an alliance"...given that, given where everyone was at the end of season 6, and given you have about 14 hours to finish the rest of the show, how would you have moved the pieces into place? the plan (which was tyrion's plan, btw, lots of people blame jon) wasn't only meant to convince cersei, it was meant to convince dany. she didn't believe jon about what was north of the wall, she was singularly focused on defeating cersei. if he doesn't get dany's help, they have no chance against the white walkers/night king. the group seemed to doubt whether cersei would listen to reason anyway, but after viserion was killed and jon apologized, dany said "i had to see it for myself"...so, the plan wasn't great, but what was the alternative? just fly a dragon over the wall and look at what was happening from 5,000 feet? maybe, but then you leave 10+ major characters scattered all over the map and no way to bring them together.
season 7 wasn't flawless. but DB and DW were given a pretty impossible task. when they started developing this show in 2006, they assumed they would be adapting a series of books to tv, they didn't think they would be adapting 4.5 seasons and then writing 3.5 seasons of george martin fan fiction. and the fact that he basically only gave them an outline with bullet points makes their job even harder. he'll take 3,000 pages to explain how the characters fall into place. he can take another 20 years to write them. DB and DW have been working on this show for 11 years and clearly wanted to move on to something else. im sure HBO would have loved for them to keep cranking out seasons forever, but it wasn't going to happen.
lets also remember that there were weak episodes in season 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6, not just this season. even the episodes where they had all the source material sometimes fell flat. this was never a perfect show which has now been corrupted. the scope of the universe, all of the characters, all of the locations, it honestly was almost an impossible series to adapt. they've gotten a lot more right than they got wrong. but running out of source material, having to get someone from point C to point Z with no guideposts in between, it must really suck. one of the strangest things though, and i see this a lot from critics now, is how they nitpick every single detail, minor and major, and try to outline the plausibility of how things could work. yet this is a show where a woman walked into a burning fire and came out with 3 living dragons (in season 1) and a witch gave birth to a shadow demon (in season 2) and the default method of communication in the fictional world is fucking ravens. if you cant suspend disbelief watching a show like this, i sort of wonder why you ever started watching it in the first place.
they are supposedly going to start shooting season 8 in october 2017. it will take 4-5 months to shoot it, probably. another 3-4 months of editing/post. i could see august 2018 for its airing.
