Champions League 2015/2016: Page 46 - The Arsenal discussion community: One More in the Tolly

Champions League 2015/2016

Clrnc

It's pretty funny actually that all the weaker sides has a very good chance of going though in all 4 ties. UEFA as usual fixed the draw to ensure we have a good semi final match up but it's not looking simple now.

dreamlord

Ibrahimovic was shit when it counted. Should have had 3, if not 4 goals on the night.

Klaus

He didn't have a good game but he scored for the third knockout match in a row.

Savz

jones wrote:
Watched the full 90 of the Wolfsburg match, worst CL quarter final match I've seen in a while. Embarrassingly shit from both sides, Real of course even more than VW.

Draxler is immensely talented but he needs a manager to guide him and that's definitely not Hecking. One of the few things I'd trust Wenger with is to get the best out of players of his ilk. Looks a lot more comfortable on the wing though than he used to to be fair to Hecking.

He's nurtured Caligiuri and Dost in the last couple of seasons. KdB was transformed from a good player to a superb scorer under him. Likewise he's doing well with Draxler at the moment too.

Ricardo Rodriguez was another player who'd done very well.

He's also got them to the CL Quarters, and are currently beating Real. One foot in the Semi. Respect to him.

Savz

Interesting stat: Real Madrid's defence failed to win a single tackle during the first half vs Wolfsburg.

Segway

Savz wrote:
jones wrote:
Watched the full 90 of the Wolfsburg match, worst CL quarter final match I've seen in a while. Embarrassingly shit from both sides, Real of course even more than VW.

Draxler is immensely talented but he needs a manager to guide him and that's definitely not Hecking. One of the few things I'd trust Wenger with is to get the best out of players of his ilk. Looks a lot more comfortable on the wing though than he used to to be fair to Hecking.

He's nurtured Caligiuri and Dost in the last couple of seasons. KdB was transformed from a good player to a superb scorer under him. Likewise he's doing well with Draxler at the moment too.

Ricardo Rodriguez was another player who'd done very well.

He's also got them to the CL Quarters, and are currently beating Real. One foot in the Semi. Respect to him.

Nah, the useless fucker ruined Bendtner's career.

jones

Caligiuri stagnated from the time he left Freiburg, had potential for more. Dost is a shithouse player regardless of who he's managed by. KDB's development had nothing at all to do with his manager, he was playing for a relegation threatened Bremen before moving to Wolfsburg and looked every bit as impressive there. Draxler I've mentioned earlier and Rodriguez has definitely hit a bump in his development for the last two seasons, coincidentally not too long after Hecking came to Wolfsburg. Looks more like you're throwing names out there to be honest.

He's not a bad manager per se, he's done some good work at Hannover and had one pretty impressive season at Nürnberg which is why he got the VW job in the first place. He's out of his element managing a CL club although you could say that Wolfsburg aren't one. One foot in the semis is a very big claim, I reckon Real are still favourites to go through.

Clrnc

Never rated Hecking to be fair but he has done a reasonable job in Wolfsburg surprisingly. I think the competition with regards to manager is very high in Germany. Schmidt for example is a nutter but is a far better manager for me.

jones

There are a couple of decent managers around, yes. Hecking has done well to get out of a pretty shit CL group and going past Gent in the Rd of 16, the win over Real will mark the highlight of their season as I fully expect them to be blown out in the second leg. They're having a very poor domestic season though has to be said.

Savz

jones wrote:
Rodriguez has definitely hit a bump in his development for the last two seasons, coincidentally not too long after Hecking came to Wolfsburg. Looks more like you're throwing names out there to be honest.

Rodriguez and Hecking joined Wolsburg the same time you donut. 4 years ago.

jones

Savz wrote:
jones wrote:
Rodriguez has definitely hit a bump in his development for the last two seasons, coincidentally not too long after Hecking came to Wolfsburg. Looks more like you're throwing names out there to be honest.

Rodriguez and Hecking joined Wolsburg the same time you donut. 4 years ago.

Rodriguez came in January 2012, Hecking a full year after that. His first twelve months under Magath were definitely his best, he improved still for a while and looked like uprooting Alaba as the league's best LB for a while then petered out not too long after Hecking joined.

Cut the name calling out, you look like an idiot. How old are you?

Savz

Schäfer was their left back until Hecking became manager. Hecking was the one that gave Rodriguez his place back in the team.

In fact, from 2013 onwards he was regarded as the 2nd best Left Back in Europe according to the stats. He may not be hitting as high of a rating as he did 2 years ago, but you said his form dropped when Hecking became manager, which is horrendously wrong.

Ricky1985

Even if Jones was wrong, and it seems pretty clear he wasn't, leave off on the name calling. Completely uncalled for.

Savz

He said "Rodriguez form dropped after Hecking joined the club"

Do you watch The Bundesliga Ricky? Hecking became manager, and reinstated Rodriguez as his first choice LB, Rodriguez went on to have his best year to date in 2013.

Since then, yes his form has dropped, which he did say. But the part where he said Rodriguez form dropped soon after Hecking joined was the part that is horrendously wrong.

You get offended with the word donut? Didn't know people were so uptight around here. I'll be more thoughtful.

Clrnc

You enjoy having a nobody call you donut savz?

Gurgen

Calm down. You're discussing Wolfsburg left backs ffs 😆

Qwiss

TBF to Savz if you accuse people of "just throwing names out there" they might be inclined to call you something insulting.

So everyone cut it out.

And yes it would seem jones was right so you are hoisted on your own donut anyway.

Savz

Everyone keeps saying Jones was right, do any of you even know what you're saying he's right about?

He said Rodriguez's form dipped soon after Hecking became manager.

Hecking became manager just before 2013, where Rodriguez was a squad player. Hecking promoted him, and he went on to have one of the most productive seasons from a LB in recent years. (Whoscored 2013 stats are immense)

So what was he right about?

jones

Qwiss! wrote:
TBF to Savz if you accuse people of "just throwing names out there" they might be inclined to call you something insulting.

I said that because that's what it looks like. There's a number of players who have very visibly improved under Hecking like Knoche, Arnold or Vieirinha, distinctly more so than any of the other guys he mentioned. If you try to riposte my comment of Hecking not being the manager to improve guys like Draxler you could at least mention the correct players, otherwise you look like you're just namedropping.

Savz wrote:
So what was he right about?

You said they signed at the same time for the club.

What a pointless discussion. You claim Hecking promoted Rodriguez but I remember him starting every game for VW immediately as he was pretty highly rated; after checking the stats I found that he played the full 90 in every game after signing in January until November of that year. It's fine to have differing opinions or to be wrong but there's no need to be so agitated or rude about it.

banduan

That should put you in your place you bratwurst.

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