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Women's World Cup

Biggus

The other thing is how they chest the ball, I notice they're not as stacked as normal women but it still must be sensitive and hurt, I mean it's a bit like controlling the ball with your bollocks.

Kel Varnsen

Women's football... It's not women and it's not football.

Biggus

You're more of an LFL fan then.

Maybe if Blatter decides to stay.....

y va marquer

Kel Varnsen wrote:
Women's football... It's not women and it's not football.

What are they and what is it then?

Rex

Was thinking the same thing.

Rex

Had no idea there was such a thing as LFL. Unfortunately, it is another example of how far away we are from anything resembling equality between men and women, in sports as well.

Daz

Kel Varnsen wrote:
Women's football... It's not women and it's not football.

Don't be a tool Kel.

jones

Disagree about the first jibe but he's right in that a lot of times you can barely call it football. Couple years ago when Germany's women were world champions they played a friendly against Stuttgart's U-16s over 45 minutes and lost 3-0. The technical level from some is pretty decent actually but the inconsistency and performance gaps are incredible and the regular 10-0 routs make it painful to watch at times.

y va marquer

Question remains: if you can't call it football what do you call it?
If I understand correctly the reasoning behind not calling it football is that the technical level is inconsistent and performance gaps are huge?

jones

The reasoning is the same as behind calling the likes of Lee Cattermole or Charlie Adam barely footballers, cavemen etc. I was just pointing out that while I (and most people I know) enjoy watching most football matches the same does not hold true for most women's football matches.

Patters

Kel Varnsen wrote:
Women's football... It's not women and it's not football.

Fucking idiot. Come on then - cite a shit paper that backs you up.

y va marquer

Personally I don't enjoy watching women's football all that much, mainly because I haven't gotten hooked on the competition or rivalry elements, and the atmosphere surrounding games doesn't draw me in.
I would consider describing the women's game as "barely football" an insult though.

Jens

jones wrote:
Disagree about the first jibe but he's right in that a lot of times you can barely call it football. Couple years ago when Germany's women were world champions they played a friendly against Stuttgart's U-16s over 45 minutes and lost 3-0. The technical level from some is pretty decent actually but the inconsistency and performance gaps are incredible and the regular 10-0 routs make it painful to watch at times.

I played against a womens top division team myself when I was 16. They are all technically sound, well trained, smart players, they have to be to make it to that level. Where they lose out is explosive strength, such as ten yard sprints or scrappy battles for the ball, which happen all the time in a game. They aren't bad players at all, but their weaknesses in that one are costs them massively when playing against a boys team, even if they are U16, and makes the game look like a trouncing.

jones

y va marquer wrote:
Personally I don't enjoy watching women's football all that much, mainly because I haven't gotten hooked on the competition or rivalry elements, and the atmosphere surrounding games doesn't draw me in.
I would consider describing the women's game as "barely football" an insult though.

I'm sure Lee Cattermole would take exception to my remark as well.

Aside from that, I meant no offence to you or women in general, I'm just being honest about my assessment of the quality of women's football.

Irishgunner

Jens wrote:
jones wrote:
Disagree about the first jibe but he's right in that a lot of times you can barely call it football. Couple years ago when Germany's women were world champions they played a friendly against Stuttgart's U-16s over 45 minutes and lost 3-0. The technical level from some is pretty decent actually but the inconsistency and performance gaps are incredible and the regular 10-0 routs make it painful to watch at times.

I played against a womens top division team myself when I was 16. They are all technically sound, well trained, smart players, they have to be to make it to that level. Where they lose out is explosive strength, such as ten yard sprints or scrappy battles for the ball, which happen all the time in a game. They aren't bad players at all, but their weaknesses in that one are costs them massively when playing against a boys team, even if they are U16, and makes the game look like a trouncing.

They regularly do get trounced whenever they play male teams though, USWNT vs male U17 US team was 8-2 for example. That's humiliating.

Jens

Irish gunner wrote:
Jens wrote:
I played against a womens top division team myself when I was 16. They are all technically sound, well trained, smart players, they have to be to make it to that level. Where they lose out is explosive strength, such as ten yard sprints or scrappy battles for the ball, which happen all the time in a game. They aren't bad players at all, but their weaknesses in that one are costs them massively when playing against a boys team, even if they are U16, and makes the game look like a trouncing.

They regularly do get trounced whenever they play male teams though, USWNT vs male U17 US team was 8-2 for example. That's humiliating.

Yes, they get smashed, but not because the boys are necessarily better at everything, they just push them off the ball very easily.

y va marquer

jones wrote:
y va marquer wrote:
Personally I don't enjoy watching women's football all that much, mainly because I haven't gotten hooked on the competition or rivalry elements, and the atmosphere surrounding games doesn't draw me in.
I would consider describing the women's game as "barely football" an insult though.

I'm sure Lee Cattermole would take exception to my remark as well.

Aside from that, I meant no offence to you or women in general, I'm just being honest about my assessment of the quality of women's football.

I'm not offended.
I just pointed out that it was an insult.

jones

Jens wrote:
jones wrote:
Disagree about the first jibe but he's right in that a lot of times you can barely call it football. Couple years ago when Germany's women were world champions they played a friendly against Stuttgart's U-16s over 45 minutes and lost 3-0. The technical level from some is pretty decent actually but the inconsistency and performance gaps are incredible and the regular 10-0 routs make it painful to watch at times.

I played against a womens top division team myself when I was 16. They are all technically sound, well trained, smart players, they have to be to make it to that level. Where they lose out is explosive strength, such as ten yard sprints or scrappy battles for the ball, which happen all the time in a game. They aren't bad players at all, but their weaknesses in that one are costs them massively when playing against a boys team, even if they are U16, and makes the game look like a trouncing.

I've watched my youth team play against the then-reigning Bundesliga champions (who didn't play all of their best performers tbh) when I was 14 or 15 myself and we won 7-0. The most obvious difference of course is the strength in duels, but I strongly disagree with the notion that often comes up that they are generally technically on the same level. A lot of them were better on the ball than what you would expect just reading the scoreline but overall there was a very notable difference. It's only to be expected given the level of competition they have had, in my (professional) U-13 team I already trained a lot more hours every week than they did at the top level.

goon

Patters wrote:
Kel Varnsen wrote:
Women's football... It's not women and it's not football.

Fucking idiot. Come on then - cite a shit paper that backs you up.

😆

banduan

From what I've seen the main thing the women's game lack is practice. There's simply not enough hours put into the game. Everything is rough around the edges, whether tactics, technique, physical attributes or any other footballing characteristic.

You don't need to play a women's team off against men to see the difference.

I wouldn't call it 'barely football' though, that's just snobbish.

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