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Women's World Cup

Rex

Yeah, I'm truly devastated.

Jens

Biggus wrote:
Ingmar Bergman Max Von Sydow Greta Garbo Bjorn Benny Anna-Frid & Agnetha Gustav Adolphus Alfred Nobel Bjorn Borg Anders Limpar Freddie Ljunberg Klaus & Rex- Your girls really took a beating. 😆

😆

Biggus

Thought you'd like that one Jens.

Biggus

Lol One of the Colombians is named Ospina, any relation?

banduan

The Arsenal players involved aren't playing particularly well.

As I type though Sanderson nearly pulls off a great goal.

banduan

[video=dailymotion]

take a bow luv!

Irishgunner

That keeper is ridiculously short, 5'8" according to wikipedia.

Big Willie

For a man maybe. Pretty tall for a woman though.

Irishgunner

Are their goals the same size?

Big Willie

Are their x chromosomes the same?

Irishgunner

It was a genuine question, Lulz. The answer appears to be yes, the goals are the same size in male and female football. Bit stupid when a 5'8" keeper is considered "tall" in women's football.

Big Willie

Oh ok sorry. Thought you were being sarcastic. Dunno if their goals are the same but for any female being 5"8' is considered pretty tall and very far from being absurdly short. Maybe absurdly short in goalkeeping terms for men but even for women I don't think most goalkeepers are 6". She might be slightly on the short side for a female goalkeeper but I doubt it's by more than 1 or 2 inches.

Edit: By the way I find it insulting to be called stupid for insinuating that a 5"8' woman is tall.

Irishgunner

No, I'm not calling you stupid! I mean that it's stupid to use the same size of goal when all of the female keepers are way smaller than their male counterparts. She is too short to effectively cover that goal frame, that goal was mostly scored because she's too short (not taking anything away from the shot or the placement, which were excellent). That's why I looked up her height straight away, it's the first thing I noticed when I watched the clip.

Big Willie

Fair enough. Are you sure though that the size of the goals are the same as for the men's game. If so then maybe there is a problem. But I doubt it's that big of a deal seeing as everyone is subject to the same rules. Not sure but if children and young people now are anything to go by then I think generation by generation people are becoming taller.

No facts to back this up, just my impression when I compare how tall everyone I knew when I was young compared to the teenagers and early 20 something's I see running around now. If that is the case then the goalkeepers of the past must have found it harder than the 6"5 monsters we see in goal nowadays.

Think I'm just saying that as long as the rules and equipment is the same regardless of opponent then whatever disadvantage against one team also works to their advantage when attacking the other.

banduan

IG has a point. After all, increasing the size of goals for the men's game would probably be unjustifiable even though you can use the same argument that the effects would be symmetrically applied.

That said, it's clear the women's game is far from a mature stage. It might not have gotten to the point where keeper size is much more significant in consideration, as basic skill-sets might not be great for women's keepers overall.

Biggus

Everything is the same, even as I said before the 90 minutes.
I think 80 minutes is enough for them they fade badly at the end.

Edit: @Lulz, Btw I find it insulting to be called a monster.

Biggus

banduan wrote:
[video=dailymotion]

take a bow luv!

Is their Henry the same as our Henry?

Bold Tone

Biggus wrote:
Everything is the same, even as I said before the 90 minutes.
I think 80 minutes is enough for them they fade badly at the end.

Women have no problem competing in much more physically demanding marathons and triathlons.
It's just that the footballers fitness levels are low because of their game is not rich enough to fully support professionals.
A bigger issue for me is the size of the goals.
The keepers have almost no chance if the shot is well placed.

Biggus

Nah women don't have the same stamina and endurance as men.

It's science.

Big Willie

banduan wrote:
IG has a point. After all, increasing the size of goals for the men's game would probably be unjustifiable even though you can use the same argument that the effects would be symmetrically applied.

That said, it's clear the women's game is far from a mature stage. It might not have gotten to the point where keeper size is much more significant in consideration, as basic skill-sets might not be great for women's keepers overall.

I agree that goals should be smaller for the women's game to match their height. I'm just saying that until they do so both teams are disadvantaged in the same way defensively whilst both being in an advantageous position whilst attacking. Difference would be if women were playing against men, in which case there will be many more problems.

Oh and for reference the game was created over a century and a half ago when men were considerably shorter than they are now. According to this BBC article in the century up to 1975 men's average height has increased by almost 4 inches. As such maybe there is a case that the goal sizes for women now are how it was for men back then.

That it's become easier for men to defend their goal due to this increase in height is moot because the advantage applies to all the teams now whilst also being disadvantaged because goals that could have been scored way back when against little keepers are now uncommon.

Edit: @[deleted], monster in a good way. Don't worry, it's a compliment.

Edit 2: Don't even know why the need for this argument. Are the goals too big for the women? Yes, probably. Will they benefit from reducing the size of the goal? Definitely. Will they also find it as a disadvantage to reduce the size of the goal given it will be a lot harder for them to score? Of course. I guess as long as the rules and standards are the same across the board then it will be both beneficial and disadvantageous to both teams so the authorities in the women's game probably need to meet with the teams in the women's game and then come to a decision on what they all feel is in their best interests.

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