Yeah, I don't like Mandzukic at all.
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No one does. He's a vile character and not the level of striker we need to improve on Giroud, so couldnt care less.
Chili Palmer wrote:Clunk wrote:WHAT? Why would Atleti let him go.
Becuase he's pretty wank, a shite version of Giroud.
Hopefully for Atleti it will mean the end of Stoke football with the departure of Mandzukic.
A shite version of Giroud who scores more than Giroud?
He was either in a better team (Bayern) or a shitter league (German and Croatian). As soon as he wasn't at Bayern and went to La Liga he scored a whopping 12 league goals. So yeah, a shitter version of Giroud is correct.
He's scored more than Giroud in each of the last 3 seasons.
Better team? With Bayern you contribute to the team as much as you score. You can look at Lewandowski's stats and see that.
Giroud has more creators behind him than Mandzukic did.
Considering his career highest ever tally was 26 in all competitions in the absolute shitness of the German league backed by the dominance of Bayern that's not really impressive at all.
Oh and he out scored Giroud by what, a goal in his first season in a proper league? Despite clearly having played a lot more minutes. Like I said Mandzukic is a poor mans Giroud who was lucky to play in such a poor league his whole career.
Edit: what does Lewadonski have to do with anything? No one is talking about him?
Loylz wrote:Considering his career highest ever tally was 26 in all competitions in the absolute shitness of the German league backed by the dominance of Bayern that's not really impressive at all. Oh and he out scored Giroud by what, a goal in his first season in a proper league? Despite clearly having played a lot more minutes. Like I said Mandzukic is a poor mans Giroud who was lucky to play in such a poor league his whole career.
Clearly having played a lot more minutes? What do you base that on?
He was frozen out by February. Might be down to a questionable character or not but he scores more and has scored more.
By your logic Lahm, Neuer etc. must be crap playing in a "poor league" too.
A shit version of Giroud because he has nothing outstanding about his game, scores shit goals as well unlike Olly who scores some beauties and belters.
Giroud is shit at creating something for himself, but watching Mandzu doing it you feel sorry for him. Super boring player, I'd lose all hope for us we ever such a limited mug of a player.
Talk about hyperbole...
Chelsea, City and West Ham all trying to sign Alex Song. Barcelona want a £5m fee but there's been talk of them cancelling his contract and letting him go on a free transfer in order to find someone that will take his 70k a week wages off their books.
Gunner89 wrote:Clearly having played a lot more minutes? What do you base that on?
He was frozen out by February. Might be down to a questionable character or not but he scores more and has scored more.
By your logic Lahm, Neuer etc. must be crap playing in a "poor league" too.
You can go look up the minutes he's played. He's started 6 more games than him. Which, even if he was subbed off after the first half of every game is still considerable more minutes to score that 1 goal.
No one said anything about Neuer or Lahm. Don't put words in my mouth. You picking goal stats to prove his quality but those numbers, considering the dominance in the teams he's played for and the quality of the league, are not at all impressive.
You cite Lewadonski but if you want you can look at his stats, he's scored more than Mandzukic's highest tally in all but 1 (and that occasion was by one goal) of his last 4 seasons. Mario Gomez scored 39 and 41 goals at Bayern.
Mandzukic could not reach those tallies in his life. Giroud's level isn't what a top striker should be judges and if Mandzukic was getting Giroud numbers in the best team in the world. If you accept that Giroud is an jut a decent striker then that showing is pretty average.
Ricky1985 wrote:Chelsea, City and West Ham all trying to sign Alex Song. Barcelona want a £5m fee but there's been talk of them cancelling his contract and letting him go on a free transfer in order to find someone that will take his 70k a week wages off their books.
5m is a very good price for Song.
Does seem cheap, but I'm glad we're not interested.
Mandzukic is better than Giroud. I reckon the only ones who think differently are Arsenal fans who rarely watch him play.
I'm not particularly interested in the goals argument, but it can also be used to illustrate a different point in this case: it doesn't really matter how much your striker scores if he screws up the game for the rest of the team. Gomez scored 41 goals for Bayern and cost them a Champions League trophy. He was an utter donkey. Bayern realised it and bought Mandzukic instead, who scored exactly half as much but was clearly a superior player, and then they went on to win everything they could in the following two seasons with him up front.
He seems to have a screw loose, but he's an excellent player with commendable work rate and the ability to combine in a number of ways with the other attacking players. No point in signing a 29 year old who's falling out with all his managers, but his talent really shouldn't be put into question. What he has achieved on a pitch and what Giroud has achieved is not comparable.
What Mandzukic has achieved on the pitch and Giroud has achieved is not comparable because one of them played for a treble worthy Bayern, so in that sense your post is spot on 
Loylz wrote:Gunner89 wrote:Clearly having played a lot more minutes? What do you base that on?
He was frozen out by February. Might be down to a questionable character or not but he scores more and has scored more.
By your logic Lahm, Neuer etc. must be crap playing in a "poor league" too.
You can go look up the minutes he's played. He's started 6 more games than him. Which, even if he was subbed off after the first half of every game is still considerable more minutes to score that 1 goal.
No one said anything about Neuer or Lahm. Don't put words in my mouth. You picking goal stats to prove his quality but those numbers, considering the dominance in the teams he's played for and the quality of the league, are not at all impressive.
You cite Lewadonski but if you want you can look at his stats, he's scored more than Mandzukic's highest tally in all but 1 (and that occasion was by one goal) of his last 4 seasons. Mario Gomez scored 39 and 41 goals at Bayern.
Mandzukic could not reach those tallies in his life. Giroud's level isn't what a top striker should be judges and if Mandzukic was getting Giroud numbers in the best team in the world. If you accept that Giroud is an jut a decent striker then that showing is pretty average.
As per your blue bit you obviously don't know what you are talking about-
I did look up the minutes-
Giroud-1856
Mandzukic-1932
So by "considerable more minutes" you mean less than 90? Because that's the difference in the minutes both played league football.
Even in his best purple patch he barely beat's Mario's league haul and scores less than Mario overall.
Not sure if you read my post properly but I mentioned Lahm and Neuer specifically for your arguments about a "poor" league.
Mandzukic could not reach those tallies in his life eh? But pep chose to play Mandzukic over Gomez? I wonder why? And if Mandzukic couldn't reach those tallies neither could Giroud as Giroud scores less than Mandzukic.
Mandzukic also played in a league where you play a maximum of 34 games not 38 games too.
2012/13
Mandzukic
Goals:15
Minutes:1725
Goals/min:115
Giroud
Goals:11
Minutes:2332
Goals/min:212
2013/14
Mandzukic
Goals:18
Minutes:2015
Goals/min: 112
Giroud
Goals:16
Minutes: 3068
Goals/min: 191.75
2014/15
Mandzukic
Goals:12
Minutes: 1932
Goals/min: 161
Giroud: 14
Minutes: 1856
Goals/min: 132.5
Even with a new team and Giroud's best ever purple patch he barely beat's mandzukic leagur hsul once. Shite version of Giroud but who scores more at a faster rate. This is RAWK-esque levels of delusion.
i think when people reject someone like Mandzukic they overlook the fact that even if we did not manage to get a top tier striker, we would benefit massively from having another striker who is significantly better than Welbeck and Sanogoals.
dreamlord wrote:What Mandzukic has achieved on the pitch and Giroud has achieved is not comparable because one of them played for a treble worthy Bayern, so in that sense your post is spot on
And given that Mandzukic scored decisive goals in both the champions league and dfb pokal finals and scored in key Bundesliga games too he played some part in that treble no matter how some try to downplay his significance.
Claudius wrote:i think when people reject someone like Mandzukic they overlook the fact that even if we did not manage to get a top tier striker, we would benefit massively from having another striker who is significantly better than Welbeck and Sanogoals.
Exactly claudius.
People say oh bring in another top wide-man.
The reality is we have 2 very capable wingers in Alexis and Walcott and we have a genuine prospect in Chamberlain.
What we have up-top is Giroud who's numbers are average. He's averaged 13 a season here. People will say oh he missed 3 months of the season. Suarez has missed 2-3 months every year due to a ban. He still scores comfortably more. Aguero's probably missed a lot more football the last 3 years than Giroud yet scoring far more. Costa played about 200 minutes more but scored 6 more league goals. And this is during Giroud's best ever goals/min and Costa switching clubs that he still falls behind.
If we get another striker he'll be competing with Giroud and will kill minutes for Welbeck/Sanogo up-front.
A top wideman will probably get you slightly more or similar productivity to Theo and kill minutes for Chamberlain.
Giroud went through a 6 or 7 game spell where he couldn't find the goal if it landed on him. Would've been nice to have a Mandzukic who could come in 2 or 3 games into that drought to try something different.