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Suarez: the great moral dilemma of our time

Kel Varnsen

otfgoon wrote:
Biggus wrote:
As we haven't actually approached them and made an offer theres no way that that can be proven.

This isn't a court room Biggus, you don't need proof. Most of us, including yourself I'd imagine, are sensible enough to realise that would be about as likely as winning the lottery.

Suarez is the best striker, probably even player, that's a realistic option for us out there, by quite a distance. If you can't get past his actions that's fine, but I see no reason why we're pretending that theres loads of other options we have that would put us in an equally strong (or stonger according to some) position.

there are other options out there like dzeko, soldado and michu which would be far less value for money than suarez; even if suarez is 10 mill more.

then there is rooney, who will probably end up costing as much as suarez.

if you don't like suarez, fine, but don't pretend we shouldn't sign him for footballing reasons. that's just absurd and dishonest post hoc rationalization.

Burnwinter

Biggus wrote:
I've disowned the baron a couple of months ago since he lauded Wengers way of doing things and hoped he'd continue in the future, he also expressed an admiration for Rooney.

Point stands in light of this observation. Up until you finally realised (with much prodding) he endorsed Wenger just as thoroughly as Silent Stan, you wanted him in control.

So you disowned him for your own reasons, not because of the superordinate ethical dilemma his majority ownership of the club would cause, which clearly would render negligible that associated with signing Suarez, who racially abused and bit individual footballers, but didn't make billions looting the historical wreckage of an entire ex-Soviet state.

Qwiss

Kel Varnsen wrote:
otfgoon wrote:
if you don't like suarez, fine, but don't pretend we shouldn't sign him for footballing reasons. that's just absurd and dishonest post hoc rationalization.

Is missing a lot of games not a genuine footballing reason?

goon

He doesn't actually miss any more than the average footballer. Consistently play 30 to 33 league games a season.

Kel Varnsen

otfgoon wrote:
He doesn't actually miss any more than the average footballer. Consistently play 30 to 33 league games a season.

bam!

Qwiss

He certainly won't be playing 33 league games next season.

Armor

He could.....

Biggus

😆 Zing-

otfgoon wrote:
Suarez is the best striker, probably even player, that's a realistic option for us out there, by quite a distance.

Thats by no means established.

y va marquer

Biggus wrote:
y va marquer wrote:
You'd want our £40m signing to break his leg regardless of the impact that this would have on the team and our chances of winning?
I take it back - that's not supporting the team, you're not accepting 🙂

Of course it's supporting the team- I reject Wenger as manager, He's wasted plenty of money before I reject the concept that we are better off with him I refuse to support him, I reject the notion that we'll be a better team with Suarez in it- I don't see any contradiction.

I'm referring specifically to you saying that you'll be hoping that Suarez breaks his leg.
We weren't debating whether or not we'd be a better team with him in it.
The fact would be that having spent £40m on a player you would be happy to see this player immediately taken out of the team regardless of how that would impact our season.
And it would impact our season greatly given that if we sign Suarez we won't be signing any other world class striker.
It's a complete contradiction to my mind.
If you support the team you want what's best for the team, if you think being reduced to three strikers Giroud, Walcott and Podolski ( we won't even have Gervinho) is best then I think that's nonsense.

Biggus

y va marquer wrote:
If you support the team you want what's best for the team,

It'd be best for the team if we got a new manager.

Bold Tone

Inspite of his desperation to join them, RM are not interested in Suarez as, however good he is, his natural game (dropping deep and dribbling into the box) will not improve their team and that's without taking the caravan of issues he drags along wherever he goes!
By the same token, i surmise that signing this degenerate will not make us a better team than we are already as, with him, the best we will get is still 4th place minus our reputation for a generation!

y va marquer

Biggus wrote:
y va marquer wrote:
If you support the team you want what's best for the team,

It'd be best for the team if we got a new manager.

😆
Biggus we were talking about Suarez.
Anyway if you don't see that there could be a contradiction between hoping he breaks his leg as soon as he arrives, and wanting what's best for the team, then I'm giving up this particular discussion 🙂

Biggus

Bold Tone wrote:
Inspite of his desperation to join them, RM are not interested in Suarez as, however good he is, his natural game (dropping deep and dribbling into the box) will not improve their team and that's without taking the caravan of issues he drags along wherever he goes!
By the same token, i surmise that signing this degenerate will not make us a better team than we are already as, with him, the best we will get is still 4th place minus our reputation for a generation!

I know Tone, some people just can't understand this.

goon

Bold Tone wrote:
Inspite of his desperation to join them, RM are not interested in Suarez as, however good he is, his natural game (dropping deep and dribbling into the box) will not improve their team and that's without taking the caravan of issues he drags along wherever he goes!
By the same token, i surmise that signing this degenerate will not make us a better team than we are already as, with him, the best we will get is still 4th place minus our reputation for a generation!

Might as well stick the money in a savings account then as if Suarez won't make a difference no one will.

But you're wrong anyway.

Bold Tone

Reasons?

Biggus

Because no other top European team would entertain 40M bids for their players I presume. [/sarcasm]

CitizenNo9

Biggus wrote:
As I said in another thread Kel, if we really have 70M to spend and its not just bullshit, we should be going to Madrid and demand they sell us Ronaldo and stop fannying about with Suarez.

That's something that worries me though, with 70M to spend and a long list of parasites off the wage bill, we should be looking at recruiting a number of players to mount a challenge next season not focusing so much effort on one player who may help consilidate the prize but won't make much of a difference to a title push.

Mirth

lagos wrote:
Biggus wrote:
As I said in another thread Kel, if we really have 70M to spend and its not just bullshit, we should be going to Madrid and demand they sell us Ronaldo and stop fannying about with Suarez.

That's something that worries me though, with 70M to spend and a long list of parasites off the wage bill, we should be looking at recruiting a number of players to mount a challenge next season not focusing so much effort on one player who may help consilidate the prize but won't make much of a difference to a title push.

We need a number of players at the level of Surarez though, it's unlikely that we'll be able to secure more than one or two. Even Manchester City, at their most desperate, would struggle with that!

goon

Yes Biggus, clubs are desperate to sell their best players to us and the best players are desperate to leave their clubs to come to us. /sarcasm

Have you dusted off the old Championship Manager disk or something?

Bold Tone wrote:
Reasons?

Suarez is a world class, 20 goal a season striker, chucks in a fair number of assists and match winning moments of magic too. Even conservatively speaking, that's enough to add 10 points to our tally. It's ridiculous to suggest a world class upgrade on Giroud wouldn't make a difference.

You'd also find that it's impact on our reputation would be minimal, our reputation would more likely be enhanced by our first mega signing and competitiveness. Though if it makes fans of other club hate us, great, we've not been hated for about 8 years.

goon

lagos wrote:
Biggus wrote:
As I said in another thread Kel, if we really have 70M to spend and its not just bullshit, we should be going to Madrid and demand they sell us Ronaldo and stop fannying about with Suarez.

That's something that worries me though, with 70M to spend and a long list of parasites off the wage bill, we should be looking at recruiting a number of players to mount a challenge next season not focusing so much effort on one player who may help consilidate the prize but won't make much of a difference to a title push.

It will take a couple of years at least to have a squad that's the best. Buying several players with 70m would just get us a load more Giroud's, Gervinho's.

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