Klaus wrote:

Tactics wrote:

He spent 31/2 season at Ajax - longer than he's been at Liverpool.

And he only bit one guy in all that time! Give him a fucking medal.

I thought your point was: "He wasn't there long enough to really get a chance to drag them through the mud"

Liverpool made a mess of the situation.

Biggus wrote:

So Liverpool are to blame for the whole thing and Suarez is just the victim?

Liverpool are always the victim! it's in the statutes.....all courts know that! You can't win a victimization case against them!!

Tactics wrote:

Klaus wrote:

And he only bit one guy in all that time! Give him a fucking medal.

I thought your point was: "He wasn't there long enough to really get a chance to drag them through the mud"

And yet you managed to miss it. My comment wasn't about how many years he spent at Ajax compared to how many years he spent at Liverpool. It was another way of saying that he would have behaved the same way if he had stayed at Ajax. It started in Holland and continued in England.

hey this is a guy who took his club to court for refusing to accept a low offer for him, his "troubles" didn't start yesterday

lagos wrote:

hey this is a guy who took his club to court for refusing to accept a low offer for him, his "troubles" didn't start yesterday

I am certain that he'd create a lot of trouble to move out of Arsenal in two years' time, if we get him. But, I'm also fairly certain we won't.

Armor wrote:

I think Suarez has been a bit unlucky actually. Theres a few cunts in the PL who aren't much better than him who seem to come up smelling of roses no matter what happens. Thats not me defending Suarez btw - just pointing out the likes of Terry and Giggs especially seem to have a lot less vitriol directed at them despite the things they've done.

Are you saying Terry and Giggs came up smelling of roses after their relative acts of cuntology?
I certainly dislike Terry even more than Suarez (somewhat unfairly as he is not a repeat offender) and Giggs' reputation is shot as far as i am aware.

Snog? Marry? AVOID!

Iloveyouarsenewenger wrote:

lagos wrote:

hey this is a guy who took his club to court for refusing to accept a low offer for him, his "troubles" didn't start yesterday

I am certain that he'd create a lot of trouble to move out of Arsenal in two years' time, if we get him. But, I'm also fairly certain we won't.

I'm inclined to think that so long as Madrid don't join the bid he'll be pulling on an Arsenal shirt by September. He will force a move because he knows he is too good to be where he is, he's been there 2.5 years and the highest they've finished is 7th. He won't win the trophies he wants nor will he get a bumper pay deal unless he signs a new contract which he won't, he may not win trophies here but he will play CL football. Like 99% of footballers, he's a mercenary, an unsavory one but we are in need of his services. So long as he delivers, I can live with his troubles. And if he wants to force a move in 2 years it will be because he has been delivering on the pitch in which case we will recoup some of his transfer. If he wants to move to a bigger club he has to work to earn the interest which suits us because that means goals!!

It's a calculated risk.

Klaus wrote:

Tactics wrote:

I thought your point was: "He wasn't there long enough to really get a chance to drag them through the mud"

And yet you managed to miss it. My comment wasn't about how many years he spent at Ajax compared to how many years he spent at Liverpool. It was another way of saying that he would have behaved the same way if he had stayed at Ajax. It started in Holland and continued in England.

Would he have behaved the same way? I think so.

Would they(Ajax) have been dragged through the mud? No , don't think so. He didn't soil their name when he was there and did the same things simply because they dealt with the situation far better than Liverpool did. They'd have handled the situation in a similar way had he stayed longer and did the same things.

Liverpool made a mess of the situation.

Jaysus! This suarez dilemma makes me think we were better off when we didn't have any money! Atleast we did not have to go thru this. We were just content in our misery!

Klaus wrote:

Pepe LeFrits wrote:

I think so too, but I feel injuries would bite us again. We were relatively lucky in that respect last season.

Off the top of my head I think it's the luckiest we've been for the last decade or so. Cazorla won't play 38 league games anytime soon again, that's for sure.

Could actually be the result of two years of medical management and investment. Remains to be seen.

Tactics, bear in mind a few things

1) Like Klaus said, the dutch league is a much smaller league, less exposure, less publicity

2) Continental Europe as a whole is more "tolerant" of racism and it gets less coverage, so maybe he has been getting away with it for years because it isn't reported.

3) Suarez has been in trouble wherever he has been

but ofcourse Liverpool screwed things up but that doesn't exonerate Suarez. It just means that by their small minded show of "solidarity" they associated themselves with the problem and it became a Liverpool problem as well as a Suarez problem. I highlight the as well as

John Nic's take on it.

http://www.football365.com/faves/8838346/John-Nicholson

Klaus wrote:

Iloveyouarsenewenger wrote:

Ajax never got dragged through the mud by Suarez.

Except that time he bit an opponent and missed three months of football.

He was also suspended by Ajax for getting into some sort of fight with a team mate.

Biggus wrote:

John Nic's take on it.

http://www.football365.com/faves/8838346/John-Nicholson

yeah i was going to comment on Keown's article that this notion of Wenger taming Suarez is laughable. Nothing wrong with buyng Suarez but you buy Suarez because you need goals and can't find another, you don't buy Suarez to change his ways, you buy him knowing he will have to be "managed" not changed and you buy him all the while exploring or grooming a replacement because you know he is a mercenary who won't be hanging any paintings on the wall because he knows he will soon be gone!

who cares. he's a great player, he's available and he'll instantly improve our team. results, goals and points; that's all that matters.

lagos wrote:

Tactics, bear in mind a few things

1) Like Klaus said, the dutch league is a much smaller league, less exposure, less publicity

True less coverage, less exposure, but it wasn't seen as an Ajax problem by those who watch the league. So bigger exposure would have yielded the same result.

Ajax came out of the incident with a lot credits,: Suarez was fined 'huge sums of money' and given a 2 match ban by the club. Now compare that to Liverpool printing t-shirts and making up all sort of stories to supoort Suarez.....

lagos wrote:

2) Continental Europe as a whole is more "tolerant" of racism and it gets less coverage, so maybe he has been getting away with it for years because it isn't reported.

I wouldn't say Holland is more tolerant to racism than say the UK. I live in Amsterdam.

lagos wrote:

3) Suarez has been in trouble wherever he has been

Is this a point of discussion?

lagos wrote:

but ofcourse Liverpool screwed things up but that doesn't exonerate Suarez. It just means that by their small minded show of "solidarity" they associated themselves with the problem and it became a Liverpool problem as well as a Suarez problem. I highlight the as well as

Well that's exaclty point, Liverpool made a mess of the situation and it also became a Liverpool problem. Had they dealt with it like Ajax did, It would only have been seen as a Suarez problem.

And no, no one is exonerating Suarez of anything, he's a massive cunt.

Kel Varnsen wrote:

who cares. he's a great player, he's available and he'll instantly improve our team. results, goals and points; that's all that matters.

No, resale value and profit is all that matters.

Biggus wrote:

Kel Varnsen wrote:

who cares. he's a great player, he's available and he'll instantly improve our team. results, goals and points; that's all that matters.

No, resale value and profit is all that matters.

i'm surprised you're not in favor of this deal biggus. suarez will provide goals and points for us. he'll bring us a lot closer to winning trophies.