yuv wrote:

Ricky1985 wrote:

All of Suarez's negative behavioural issues aside - because I don't really care about them all that much

Really, Ricky? I'm a bit surprised. Is it that you don't care so much as in "stuff happens all the time, and a bit of a hinderance this way or the other won't kill us", or, you really, genuinely don't mind the person? You don't have a problem with having a guy on the team that you just know is a sleaze?

I know there's a problem, and a big temptation here - in one swift move we rid ourselves of that long, heavy burden of lack of ambition, not taken at all seriously, a team of the past - and - boom! we're right back in there, everybody will talk about Arsenal as contenders (though I'm sure many will still say it's not enough). And the small time spending, never go for a big player - at once thing of the past. I myself am thinking: he - or no one? what's worse? and they both look horrid to me.

But I just can't get myself to thinking of supporting the team and at the same time hating one of them. And I can't do this trick of "he's now one of ours, who cares about his past cannibalistic habits?" The idea of him coming here still make my stomach turn.

Maybe it's because I don't watch Match of the Day, read the papers or watch Sky Sports News, or perhaps I'm just not as concerned morally as I should be, but I don't really have a particular dislike toward Suarez.

I think of him as a dirty player, maybe a bit over the top when the red mist descends - although not really any more so than other 'dirty' players around today; Maraoune Fellaini, for example, or players from times gone by; someone like Roy Keane - but I also see Suarez as a very committed, hard working player that'll sweat blood to help the team win. After some of the lazy good-for-nothings that have worn the shirt recently that's something I can appreciate.

I think the nature of the problem he had with Evra has resulted in his every little move being scrutinised to a level that other players aren't subjected to. I read the other day, for example, that Jermain Defoe was caught, not so long ago, biting someone in a similar way that Suarez bit Ivanovic. I don't see any major interest in that incident from anyone, but with Suarez it's front page news and a 10 game ban. He's been labelled now as a 'racist' and is public enemy as a result. It's silly. I think the problems everyone has with him stem back to his perceived racist attitude and not because he's dirty or vicious.

I don't value Suarez as a footballer quite as highly as others do, certainly not £40m or close. I'd prefer our money was spent elsewhere. However, if we end up signing him I'll be ok with adding another very good player to the squad and then cheer him like I would any other player that wears the shirt and gives their best.

it's not just one or two incidents Ricky. It's the total package of multiple bad habits and value added idiosyncracies. From the dives, to the handballs, to the deliberate stamps, to the ball-hogging, to the imaginary-card waving, to the racist taunting. I don't even think he's racist, and I do think it's different in Uruguay like he says. But he definitely knew it got a rise out of Evra, he knew the impact, and he knew it was wrong from the way Evra reacted as he did- but he did it anyway.

I don't think he does these things in the heat of the moment at all. He's a calculating bastard.

I agree he's a dirty, horrible player, one that I'd rather not have here - I just think it's a bit overblown is all. And it's nothing to do with whether or not we sign him because I don't want him anyway and I don't think he'll end up here either.

One thing I did forget about is his diving. I'd hate that part of his game. I think that sort of shit embarrasses the club, it's disgusting and I will never defend it.

Would people have seriously despise and minded the way we won the ucl if eboue's crucial dive did win it?

from a pure footballing stand point i'm not convinced either. he's a head-down, dribble in circles, selfish cnut. can be frustrating to play with that week in week out.

i'm just concerned we'll be left with nothing worthwhile if we don't get suarez.

Biggus wrote:

@ Yuvy, I can teach you to hate if you want, I despised both Gallas and Silvestre and hoped they broke a leg every time they defiled our shirt and it'll be the same with this asshole club.

Bit harsh Biggus. Besides being shit, Silvestre didn't act like a cunt while he was at the club.

The Mancs were pissing themselves when they off loaded him to us, it was Fergies best joke ever, its like if we sold Chamakh to them.
He was a dirty cunt he smashed Freddies nose- I don't forgive or forget even if everyone else has selective amnesia.

I despise Silvestre. In fact, I despise all the shit players that played for our club.

I have more time for people who might be cunts, but ultimately gave their quality and effort for our cause.

He might be a dirty low down son of a bitch, but hes OUR dirty low down son of a bitch.
I have some sympathy with this view, however Suarez is not Arsenal through and through, he's just a mercenary who will be passing through using us to better himself like so many others have before.
This is Wengers Arsenal where there is no common bond no leader no shared experience (unless you count all those last day 4th place trophy clinchers) to gell the side together.

Check out LFC's owners latest tweet. Guess its not going to happen after all.

https://twitter.com/John_W_Henry

John W. Henry ‏@John_W_Henry 8m
What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?

We have been asking that for years.

If this deal goes through and Wenger actually does spend 40M on one player we will have definitely entered a new paradigm, the rule book will be torn up and there will be evidence of new forces at work in the club.
Under such circumstances who's to say that next season given all the money spent what is possible and what is not?- Another failure may not be tolerated and Wenger may find himself finally held accountable.
I can but dream......

Or Wenger ends up blowing our load on damaged goods and leaves his successor with half the budget. Anyway, I don't think this is going to happen. We can barely complete straightforward transfers.

No Eb I'm still at the cynical sceptic stage myself too, but if this happens the rule book is torn up, what else is possible?

Jus' sayin.

Biggus wrote:

If this deal goes through and Wenger actually does spend 40M on one player we will have definitely entered a new paradigm, the rule book will be torn up and there will be evidence of new forces at work in the club.

New forces being increased revenue and ability to spend, like we always said...

Aparamesh wrote:

Check out LFC's owners latest tweet. Guess its not going to happen after all.

https://twitter.com/John_W_Henry

John W. Henry ‏@John_W_Henry 8m
What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?

Nice posturing.

Burnwinter wrote:

First post since 2012 ...

Are you a kop?

lol nahh. usually prefer to sit back and enjoy the banter on here. felt compelled to post with this latest bid though. its driving me mad!

If we have 40 million to splurge we should have thrown bids around for lewandowski & reus just to see what happens.

By the way how come clubs aren't in for Michu (not suggesting we should be)?