If we do end up signing him, and if he's successful here, this thread will be comedy gold.

Nah, this is nowhere near the standard for comedy gold.

Comedy gold? Why?

Timothy wrote:

Or Zen; An older student came to Otis and said, "I have been to see a great number of teachers and I have given up a great number of pleasures. I have fasted, been celibate and stayed awake nights seeking enlightenment. I have given up everything I was asked to give up and I have suffered, but I have not been enlightened. What should I do?"

Otis replied, "Give up suffering"

Good advice for Suarez perhaps. Nice quote though. :egg:

I'd go along with the 'a few goals will change your mind' line for someone like Rooney, not Suarez though. I'm fairly certain a few here will remain consistent with their view even if most will end up forgetting.

Some, but most will forget.

Can't wait to see captain type SUAREZ!!!!1!! in a match thread 😉

I'm totally with Captain on this one (and Y va, I think).

The "wouldn't you celebrate, even a bit" questions pretend to be smart, but they're not revealing anything significant: we all live with multiple values at any given time (and as some mentioned earlier, we have different mechanisms to deal with that; ignore some, etc.).
So we'd be extremely happy we won the CL, But as Captain said - it would feel wrong. And this "dirty" feeling will stay with us (despite the automatic: "only the score matters, only the trophy will be remembered").

You can also win from a fluke goal in a game you really didn't deserve to win (that's actually a good one; like the 2005 FA cup, e.g..); and you can win cos a ref made a massive, clear mistake (feels a bit worse, right? but perhaps still on the positive side of the spectrum). And then you can win cos the ref was not honest (start with: he was a fan of arsenal, and never said it to anyone, and he gave the winning goal on purpose; continue with worse examples, till you get to: "he was bribed". By which time if you don't regret the whole affair, I can't help you).

Back to Suarez: we'll win, but it would be "thanks" to a player we hate with all of our hearts? and what kind of a state of affairs is it to accept having a player we profoundly hate on the team?

I accept opinions can vary on this, but my mind is clear, and (like captain said) I won't budge.

Burnwinter wrote:

Comedy gold? Why?

Timothy wrote:

Or Zen; An older student came to Otis and said, "I have been to see a great number of teachers and I have given up a great number of pleasures. I have fasted, been celibate and stayed awake nights seeking enlightenment. I have given up everything I was asked to give up and I have suffered, but I have not been enlightened. What should I do?"

Otis replied, "Give up suffering"

Good advice for Suarez perhaps. Nice quote though. :egg:

Burns, could you not just enjoy the brilliance and genius of Suarez, and forgo the rest? Those split second, awe inspiring moments of ontological translucency, where Suarez picks his head up on the half way line, time slows down, the chemicals in his garled and twisted mind align and suddenly he reaches a state of awareness and transcendency beyond the ken of normal men. The majesty of our world laid bare as he becomes aware of his actual BEING in the world, the fog lifted, the mundane cast aside, the shackles broken, the looking glass shattered, and gives us all an expression of true creativity in its purest form. In the kit of the team you support. Would those moments not make all the rest worth it?

;-)

Personally I think I'd still be in for the bragging rights if we signed him and won something, though I'd prefer someone else by far.

For some reason the more remote prospect of us signing Rooney makes me much queasier.

Timothy wrote:

Burns, could you not just enjoy the brilliance and genius of Suarez, and forgo the rest? Those split second, awe inspiring moments of ontological translucency, where Suarez picks his head up on the half way line, time slows down, the chemicals in his garled and twisted mind align and suddenly he reaches a state of awareness and transcendency beyond the ken of normal men. The majesty of our world laid bare as he becomes aware of his actual BEING in the world, the fog lifted, the mundane cast aside, the shackles broken, the looking glass shattered, and gives us all an expression of true creativity in its purest form. In the kit of the team you support. Would those moments not make all the rest worth it?

If Suarez is the only tool on the horizon of handiness, perhaps he'll be picked up and swung.

I suspect that in that being-in-the-world, in that mood of releasement, my heart would swell and my pulse quicken with the mob. But later I would recoil, as the sight of Suarez relaxed to the present-at-hand, in self-conscious, eigentlich angst.

😆 Shrewd bit of PR that.

Funnily enough he doesn't bite or racially vilify any of his fellow office workers in the ad.

Timothy wrote:

Burns, could you not just enjoy the brilliance and genius of Suarez, and forgo the rest? Those split second, awe inspiring moments of ontological translucency, where Suarez picks his head up on the half way line, time slows down, the chemicals in his garled and twisted mind align and suddenly he reaches a state of awareness and transcendency beyond the ken of normal men. The majesty of our world laid bare as he becomes aware of his actual BEING in the world, the fog lifted, the mundane cast aside, the shackles broken, the looking glass shattered, and gives us all an expression of true creativity in its purest form. In the kit of the team you support. Would those moments not make all the rest worth it?

A dive is a dive Tim, no matter how elegant the fall is. Infuriating when against Arsenal, sickening when otherwise and slightly embarrassing when it's our own diving 😉

Adjourned.
Get yourselves to the other Suarez thread

🙂

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