Biggus you might as well just say the refs shouldn't have headsets either. Technology is faster, not slower. Review is better, not worse. Video can be played back instantly. You act like someone is going to have to leave the pitch and stick their heads in a nickelodeon and crank the film through the gate while they fish their pockets for coins to keep it going. Talk about having your cake and eating it, too! You can't say the team that wins is the best team and then say the best team doesn't necessarily win! It's crazy talk! If they're the best, then they may have not been the fastest or the bravest, but they certainly were the SOMETHING-est!

@Burnsy, you're such a fucking peacenik. When you've got the warmonger looking a fool flailing helplessly with one-liners trying to justify his flip-flopping convenience-based dogma-driven ideologies by quoting fucking Ketuvim, you put him down and keep him down! He only "escaped" because you let him! :gah:

🙂

Anyway, I'm mostly joking. I don't think Biggus really believes a word he's said in this thread. Nobody with such a results-driven philosophy of the game could disagree with a system that was geared specifically towards safeguarding said result with no downside whatsoever. Lets leave wedges, floodgates, slopes, boxes, doors, and all other such metaphorical nonsense out of it. Fact is, the ref is only there to enforce the rules, not as some kind of nostalgic relic of a world without recording devices.

In fact, I don't even think a ref should be allowed to wear contact lenses. It might slow the game down if he gets an itch, and back in my day we didn't even have eyes and we got by just fine, both ways uphill in the snow, etc. etc. Arguments against technology are fogey-er than PHW.

Coombs wrote:

You can't say the team that wins is the best team and then say the best team doesn't necessarily win! It's crazy talk! If they're the best, then they may have not been the fastest or the bravest, but they certainly were the SOMETHING-est!

I don't know where you imagine I said "the best team doesn't necessarily win"???
Some people define the "best" team as the one with the most possession or chances or whatever, I define the best team as the one which scores the most goals and wins the game- ergo the best team always wins....It's not difficult to understand.

Back on topic, people don't think that goal line won't change the nature of the game but it will and it's naive to believe otherwise.
Once the genie is let out of the bottle a whole new can of worms will be opened. 😉

Im in favour of technology for nearly all decisions, don't get this talk that it will slow down the game, if done right it would make it a lot smoother imo.. doubt if could be done with these current refs who are full if themselves though...

Biggus wrote:

I don't know where you imagine I said "the best team doesn't necessarily win"???

Across multiple posts you said that in the end its all governed by chance. You can't claim its all chance but then assert that there is a quantitative, predictable certainty ala "the best team always wins." The two ideas simply do not jive.

Biggus Dickus wrote:

...the Dionysian as well as the Apollonian, the Joeybartonian as well as the Lionelmessianical.

This, however, is class. I liked it so much that I almost thought that technology in refereeing had anything to do with this notion, and almost agreed with you. This part of the game, however, will always be there no matter how many video replays the ref watches.

I still think that video should be there as a tool for the referee to do his job, not as a way for managers to challenge decisions. If the ref wants to see it, he should be able to. If he sees the replay on the big screen after he's blown his whistle, he should be able to amend his decision. Anything less is akin to closing your eyes and covering your ears.

All the refs are already in communication with each other right? Instead of having the 4th official getting abuse from Wenger and his colleagues - have him sit in front of a tv getting the same images we get. He would easily be able to give the head ref all the info he may need regarding goal line shit, poor tackles, penalty situations, simulation etc. Wouldn't affect the speed of the game at all, but would help prevent bad calls.

All this talk of "challenges" by managers is just nonsense though.

Coombs wrote:
Biggus wrote:

I don't know where you imagine I said "the best team doesn't necessarily win"???

Across multiple posts you said that in the end its all governed by chance. You can't claim its all chance but then assert that there is a quantitative, predictable certainty ala "the best team always wins." The two ideas simply do not jive.

I still don't understand where you're getting this from Coombsy.
There is no certainty no "best team" that has to be decided by the result of the game- Ergo "the best team" is the one one that wins the game!!!
I've never said that chance totally decides a game?? Yes it plays a role, how much who knows, how much was Bayern's loss to Chelsea in the CL down to bad luck or bad finishing?

You can never bring in goal line technology when dealing with Biggus because as we've seen here he is constantly moving the goal posts.

Thats why no one is ever able to land a blow. 😉
I pass it around and around, it's true then you always become what you most despise- Bigguselona. :o

Heh. What would you do Gus if your son at 16 is offered a spot at La Masia? Barcelona taking care of you and the rest of the family?

Sadly he prefers motor sport Rex, my efforts to teach him the beautiful game have foundered so far.......He doesn't seem to enjoy me screaming at him-Kick 'im son kick 'im- now hoof it!

Seems a quixotic quest to get a little kid in Australia to choose football.
Try not to take it as a big fat failure on your part Gus! 🙂

You're a parent Rex, you should understand how hard it is to see your genetic weaknesses replicated in your children.

Brainwashing has worked wonders on mine as far as Arsenal is concerned. They didn't stand a chance! 🙂

Biggus wrote:

Sadly he prefers motor sport Rex, my efforts to teach him the beautiful game have foundered so far.......He doesn't seem to enjoy me screaming at him-Kick 'im son kick 'im- now hoof it!

F1 wanabe? Let him give it a real go, its a good sport!

Humble Rex wrote:

Brainwashing has worked wonders on mine as far as Arsenal is concerned. They didn't stand a chance! 🙂

Of course you have to give them a choice- Follow Arsenal or sleep in the street.

When I'm watching he'll sit on my lap and say "we're the Gooners! dad"

Back on topic......

8 months later

The President of the the Society for the preservation of stockings and suspenders has announced that goal line that goal line technology will be used at the 2014 fifa world cup.

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8509816/Goal-line-Tech-For-FIFA

One the are types of technologies involves a micro chip inserted in the ball, so no more Santi placing it well outside the corner quadrant.

The ghost has been kicked out of the machine the thin end of the wedge is starting to cut.

About time. Too little, but at least it is a start.

Those chips in the ball would be great, I wonder how long it will take to smash smash smuh-ash them.

Won't happen. They're just passive chunks of hard stuff, probably about half the size of a penny, and not at all fragile.

If putting this sort of system in action is going to "destroy football" then it might as well already be destroyed.

(Sigh) you're not being visionary enough Burnsy think about it- Won't be long before they'll work as cameras too and the ball will be able to tell us everything, no need for ugly baldy refs.....

Yeah, sure, that's exactly what'll happen, just like the invention of the camera led to surveillance on every street ... oh wait.

Seriously though your fears are ridiculous. There is no motive to completely ruin football as a spectacle by fucking up refereeing - who would want that to happen?

2 months later

Can't wait for the first controversial failure of the system.

Would be far more interesting (and likely) if it was offside they were trying to police. Goal-line stuff is definitely the thin end of the wedge, I doubt it'll make much difference to anything.

Lots of terrible offside decisions in Europe using the meatware solution - Wenger's not wrong about that.

Wenger is spot on about everything there, as usual (I figured I'd throw this in here, just in case the link hadn't gotten Biggus riled up enough already).

But really, it's about time. Wenger reiterates what a lot of people have said during the years. There weren't any good arguments against it ten years ago and there aren't any good arguments against it now. Give it a season or two while they work out the kinks and they'll start to look at offsides and penalty situations too.

I think it would definitely improve the decisions on average.

Goal-line tech should be uncontroversial, an offside system is bound to throw up the odd outlier though, giving the Luddites a bit of material to work with.

Yeah, the easiest way to implement it would probably be to not interfere with offsides at all. Leave the call to the linesman during the game. Just run a rerun and check that everyone's onside when a goal is scored. If they're not - call off the goal.

Yep - I don't see much problem with a thirty second replay review of each goal that is scored either, especially if it's automated. Just revert to an indirect free kick if the goal is ruled out.

Of course it'll probably ruin everything.

Yep, the machines will quickly become sentient and take over. We'll be hooked up to the Matrix a few months later and that's that. Also, the fictional nineties world that everyone inhabits in there doesn't have goal cameras of course, meaning it was all for nothing.

I'm currently building a time machine so that I can go back to 1954 and make sure Michel Platini is never born.

This will have the side effect of making Spain win Euro 1984 prematurely ending their era of poor national self esteem, but it's a price worth paying.

I'll also do history another favour and stop past early 1990 to put a hammer through Alex Ferguson's kneecaps before United face Nottingham Forest in the FA Cup third round.

Oh yes all this has the potential for chaotic comedy, we all know that referees and their assistants are supposed to be unbiased and beyond reproach, but what about those faceless technocrats who will program and calibrate the machines- People like Tim.
Who watches the watchers?

Quis Wengeriet ipsos Wengeries?

  • Who will Wengerise the Wengerites themselves? 😉

Offsides are a bigger problem than hawkeye decisions.
Just review the whole move after the ball goes in. If there is a problem, show it on the stadium tele (if there is one) or to the managers by the 4th official table, with lines showing offside players. Done. Should be free to rewind as far back as need be, whether it's half a second before the goal or 5 seconds back.

:mad: You see! No sooner do we have technology introduced for the maybe 1 time every 2 seasons that theres a question mark about the ball crossing the line and the conversation has been moved on (driven by nuts like Wenger) about how every offside should be analysed, its a wet dream for anoraks who being weeds are opposed to any form of physical contact and so want to turn football into a non-contact sport.

THIN-END-OF-THE-WEDGE.

Biggus wrote:

... about how every offside should be analysed, its a wet dream for anoraks who being weeds are opposed to any form of physical contact and so want to turn football into a non-contact sport.

Other than that they both involve a change to the adjudication of the rules, what does using technology to analyse offside calls have to do with reducing physical contact in football?

Edit: wait, was that self satire Biggus? 🙂

Err it's customary to use proper quotation boxes so everyone knows what you're quoting and what you're posting.
But you being a mod would know that.

Jus' sayin'

There you go. But can you answer the question?