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Do you now see why I wanted Barcelona to win?

Biggus

Yep Roman is living the dream.......
Good luck to him.

Clrnc

You guys wouldn't be saying that had Bayern won it.

Easy to say that after Chelsea had so much luck

Biggus

But they didn't win it.
That never happened.

Clrnc

On another 99 days it would have. Some of you guys talk like Chelsea dominated the season and utterly deserved to.

"I knew there would win after beating Barca" kind of rubbish. Easy to say after isn't it?

IBL

fuck Wenger!

DāftYoda

Anyone saw the parallel with our CL final when Muller got subbed by Van Buyten ? it reminded me of Flamini coming on for Fabregas whilst Bergkamp stayed on the bench. The coach changes the balance of the team to save the result, and within minutes the dream is over.

Gurgen

Yupp ruined everything with that sub.

Tony Montana

Clrnc wrote:
On another 99 days it would have. Some of you guys talk like Chelsea dominated the season and utterly deserved to.

"I knew there would win after beating Barca" kind of rubbish. Easy to say after isn't it?

No we're whinging because Chelsea won the European Cup. No one says they dominated the season. That goes to the Premier League Champions.

The point is in the CL thread during the semi finals I was in total fear that barca and Bayern would lose the final. I was predicting this very outcome and eveyone was laughing at my despair because people thought Chelsea had too many suspensions.

Anyway we don't do I told you sos here as qs keeps reminding me. Just gutted.

Mirth

Tony Montana wrote:
No we're whinging because Chelsea won the European Cup. No one says they dominated the season. That goes to the Premier League Champions.

The point is in the CL thread during the semi finals I was in total fear that barca and Bayern would lose the final. I was predicting this very outcome and eveyone was laughing at my despair because people thought Chelsea had too many suspensions.

Anyway we don't do I told you sos here as qs keeps reminding me. Just gutted.

Tony, you're in despair most of the time.

Burnwinter

To my mind, if you predicted Chelsea would win the final, you were off the mark … their 'durability' and 'will to win' is just an Aristotelian trajectory bolted onto this anomaly in hindsight by journalists the attenuated emotional impact of whose writing is sustained by the very illusion that writing promulgates—that football has a grand narrative.

Tony Montana

No I watched the semi finals and had a gut feeling. The ball kept on rolling. I wasn't off the mark because they actually won.

It wasn't based on facts and probability like when people go on about who deserves to win based on possession and chances, especially when the losing team is the beloved Barcelona FC.

And even so, if they could beat Barca with ten men, it's not exactly stupid to suggest they could beat Bayern with eleven.

Burnwinter

Sure, and I understand the process of having a hunch and seeing that hunch come true, Tony … but it's a bit like the way when a natural disaster occurs, there's always one or two scientists to come forward and say they've been predicting it for decades.

Tony Montana

No I predicted it in the semis not at the beginning of the tournament.

I didn't think they would beat Barca until after the first leg result. But I thought they'd win the tournament if they did. I was calm when Iniesta scored Barca's second. Then Ramires scored. Then Chelsea won the game. Then I knew Chelsea would win the CL.

Look i'm not trying to pass myself off as a genius. I am just trying to explain my despair a few weeks ago in the CL thread.

Captain

You're still always in despair though mate. Let's be honest, you would make that 'prediction' ten times out of ten and 9.9 times you would be wrong.

Tony Montana

Sure. I would love to be wrong though.

I don't know why it matters to you lot that I would be wrong 9.9 times out of ten.

And let's be honest, people winning against the odds happens every season from game to game.

Captain

That's why we watch.

Clrnc

Captain wrote:
You're still always in despair though mate. Let's be honest, you would make that 'prediction' ten times out of ten and 9.9 times you would be wrong.

Thats exactly my point. The match itself was so bizzare it can't be explain in words.

Tony Montana

Clrnc wrote:
Captain wrote:
You're still always in despair though mate. Let's be honest, you would make that 'prediction' ten times out of ten and 9.9 times you would be wrong.

Thats exactly my point. The match itself was so bizzare it can't be explain in words.

I'm sorry you may have missed my point.

I predicted this before the game started during the semis with Barcelona.

Sure, 9.9 times out of ten I would be wrong if I predicted the same thing at the same time. Fine.

But I wasn't wrong.

No I don't deserve a medal.

The match wasn't that bizarre. A team missed a host of chances. We saw the exact same thing with the Barca semi final. We saw us fluke it against United in the 2005 FA Cup final.

Your point was that it wasn't that great that I predicted the outcome after the final with hindsight.

That's not what I did.

Burnwinter

Don't worry Tone, I reckon you deserve a gold star. You were right after all. 🙂

My point was just that snake eyes comes up sometimes—an unlikely thing happens twice—but that doesn't mean you bet the house on it.

Biggus

Gurgen wrote:
Yupp ruined everything with that sub.

Thats one thing we agree on Gurgen, Mueller is a great player (I'd love to have him here) When Heynckes pulled him off it was like to Wenger taking off AOC against Utd when we were in the ascendency, it's akin to sabotaging your own team.

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