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The 2012 African Cup of Nations

Ricky1985

yuv wrote:
But Surely Bendtner is not a good example of the interdependence? he is just shit technically, a lost case (he always was, IMO). No influence of training and improving technically on his confidence, affecting his final level in turn? (or I miss your point?)
(BTW, there is an important mental side with him, but it is definitely not confidence related, or not under-confidence, at least).

Edit: I think Bendtner enters the iceberg type from the e.g. before.

My point was the two go hand in hand, if you're good at something then it breeds confidence, even when under pressure, and if you have the confidence without the ability then when push comes to shove it means nothing, because you won't get the desired results anyway (so the confidence will fade eventually).

Timbob

Ricky, it's 12 yards out mate. His ball striking technique aint the problem.

y va marquer

I don't think Gervinho lacks belief in his ability Ricky.
His confidence is low, sure, and the pressure and the occasion got to him, that does not mean that he believes that he hasn't got the skill to strike a ball.

Ricky1985

Tim wrote:
Ricky, it's 12 yards out mate. His ball striking technique aint the problem.

We'll agree to disagree then. I think it's no different really from the problems he has with his finishing. He can't put the ball where he wants to put it reliably and he knows it, and that affects his confidence.

Ricky1985

And whatever the truth, it's shit news for Arsenal. Gervinho will go into his shell big time now.

y va marquer

yuv wrote:
y va marquer wrote:

😆 Is this the same as Armor's earlier? didn't realize he got it from there.

Has Armor being passing wengerknowsbest's work off as his own? 🙂

yuv

OK, Ricky, we did the rounds. I think we share the core belief on how the confidence thing works, and specifically about Gervinho. I don't see the universal unity you see, but I guess thats a very small matter.

Y va - specifically regarding his shooting - yes, he does. It's not that he lacks belief - he knows for certain he can't shoot. 🙂

yuv

y va marquer wrote:
Has Armor being passing wengerknowsbest's work off as his own? 🙂

Ah, don't know about that - I think he brought something similar, which I noticed as I was asking what the boss' spin on it will be. It's somewhere back there, I'm sure.

Patters

I don't understand the arguing over semantics. And I don't accept people portraying him as some sort of mong who is incapable of connecting well with the ball. He had a decent league record at Lille and he has a decent reputation as a good player. Ability does drive confidence and Gervinho is no Henry. Agreed. But he is an attacker. An attacker attacks. A player in his position looks to create goals and looks to score goals. His job isn't just to keep running at defenders and look for penalties - no matter how good he is at that. His job is also to find the net. I don't care much that he missed. I care that he didn't put himself forward when it is his job to find the net. He was the 9th penalty taker; defenders and more inexperienced players than himself stood up before he did. That is not right.

Ricky1985

y va marquer wrote:
I don't think Gervinho lacks belief in his ability Ricky.
His confidence is low, sure, and the pressure and the occasion got to him, that does not mean that he believes that he hasn't got the skill to strike a ball.

As Yuv said above, it's not a lack of belief in his ability, it is very specifically a knowledge that he's uber-crap at kicking a football with any kind of accuracy and power. 🙂

He'll run at players until the cows come home in any game you put him because he is, and knows he is, very good at it.

banduan

Everybody's talking about Gervinho's miss and not Drogba's.

flobaba

Hmmm.. But Drogba doesn't play for the Arsenal last I checked. 😉

Burnwinter

He's got more goals than Assist Machine Theo (and nearly as many assists) in two thirds as many starts this season.

Maybe we should be asking why Walcott lacks the confidence to finish.

flobaba

Both shit If you ask me. And by shit, I mean sub-Arsenal/ top European side standard.

Claudius

it was badly disappointing to see an Arsenal starting forward
1) wait to be the 8th guy in a penalty shoot-out for a nation with only one super-quality forward, and
2) then creep up to the penalty spot with fear in his eyes.

Wenger's losing his ability to find under-valued players. We'd get less than we paid for if we sold guys like Gervinho, Park, Bendnter and even Chamakh 🙂 . The only thing keeping Walcott from that ignominy is his Englishness

invisibleman18

Did Gervinho, a starting forward, seriously take the 9th penalty after all the defenders? Bit pathetic really isn't it?

USArsenal

imo, someone who is low on confidence should take one of the first 2 pennos. Thus, if they miss, the team at least has a chance to get it back. plus. it doesnt leave him that much time to stew on it, he has to get up there right away and do it.

Rex

Most managers use their best penalty takers at the beginning though to, if possible, put pressure on the opponents. You can´t argue with that really.

Captain

and it's rare for 16 odd penalties (?) to take place.

Lukazan

I'm completely with Ricky. It's blindingly obvious Gervinho can't strike a ball cleanly and accurately with any sort of consistency. We've seen it all season long at Arsenal.

Forgetting the penalty miss there was a moment in the second half where he drove in to the box wonderfully but then unleashed a horribly scuffed shot which dragged wide. Sums him up and wasn't the least bit surprising.

When Gervinho was walking up to the spot I didn't think he'd score, even for a second. He was obviously bricking it and that, crossed with the fact his shooting is so piss-poor anyway, meant there was only gonna be one outcome.

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