I don't like the stars on shirt argument because, as I pointed out, it brings Red Star and Forest into the argument. If, perhaps, there was some kind of limitation on the period in which your stars mattered, then I would accept that. I am not defending Wenger in any way. I think our record in this competition has been disappointing, but we can't just respect everyone who's won it even if their victories are from a bygone era when people still had jheri curls.