Me too. Nothing will change my view on it simply because no matter what it is, you should consider the thoughts of your children before acts such as chop suey

Captain wrote:

Is it a willy-waving contest?

Can I be in it Capi? 8)

Carl Jenkinson wrote:

I understand depression but I also Understand the hurt it would bring to loved ones. He put himself ahead of his kids. Not cool.

You're thinking like a normal rational person in their right mind, (can't believe I just said that), people who top themselves aren't.
And insanity or even temporary insanity is an acceptable legal excuse in most countries.

Carl Jenkinson wrote:

Me too. Nothing will change my view on it simply because no matter what it is, you should consider the thoughts of your children before acts such as chop suey

A bloke is stood on the edge of a tall building looking confused and distraught.
I'm going to kill myself he screams.
Suddenly an angel appears beside him with golden wings and the most beautiful face you ever saw.
Don't do it my son- think of your wife.
-She ran off with my best friend.
Well think of your children then,
- The ungrateful little sods stole all my money and don't want anything to do with me.
Your relatives then.
- They all hate me too.
Well do you have an interesting job?
- No I got fired.
What about the emergency services crew who'll have to clean up the mess?
They accept it as part of their job
The angel scratches his head and thinks, is there anything you like in life, what about football?
(The blokes eyes light up)
Yes! I'm a big fan of the Spurs and we're doing quite well this season.

The angel replies- Aww jump you fucking bastard!

This has really effected me the past couple of days (as i'm sure it has thousands). But, far more than I ever thought the death of a footballer would do. Given the nature, i guess. Even seeing Robbie Savage lost for words, and hearing the likes of Shearer and Barry Horne on 5 Live. Heartbreaking stuff, to know the man must've been at the end of the line. Mental illness is truly frightening, and something i'm sure has effected many of us, directly or indirectly.

Tragic. Really cannot begin to imagine how his friends and family must be feeling.

Same for me James as I tried to post earlier. Still feel absolutely miserable and am surprised at how it's got to me given he's not even someone I've ever given a stuff about.

Is it possible that something happened that made him snap? Everyone has said he seemed in usual high spirits on TV and discussed the future etc, then he went to watch the Blackburn-Stoke game with Alan Shearer then he went to Old Trafford to watch the United-Newcastle game, then it seems he went home and hanged himself. Doesn't seem to add up, but then I suppose it wouldn't if he kept everything bottled up. Just seems very sad that noone at all had even the slightest idea over all the years that he had any issues.

It is absolutely bizarre, not to mention incredibly sad. I guess all you can say is that unless you've been there yourself, none of us can truly know what it is like to live your life in a state of chronic depression.

Perhaps there's something wrong with me, but I've not been excessively upset by this. I was shocked and saddened by it on the day the news broke but that's it. I found Senna's death far more upsetting since that was not voluntary

Carl Jenkinson wrote:

Perhaps there's something wrong with me, but I've not been excessively upset by this. I was shocked and saddened by it on the day the news broke but that's it. I found Senna's death far more upsetting since that was not voluntary

Of course people die every day in tragic circumstances, there wasn't such an outpouring of grief after Justin Fashanu died in 1997, obviously it's because Gary was still very much a celebrity in the public eye.

Who knows Lagos, it doesn't matter now.......

Well if it wasn't a case of depression or another mental illness I can think of one quite obvious explanation, but it's probably a little too crass at this stage.

....Or Michael Hutchence?

Michael Hutchence, David Carradine, Stephen Milligan...you get the idea.

What Lagos mentioned, and a reference in one of Biggus' recent posts brings something else to mind too.

Whatever the reason, depression (unlikely from reports) or otherwise, it's sad something he felt so strongly about brought it to this conclusion. Sad for him and sad for his family.

And as I say it doesn't matter now anyway, RIP.

no reason for this

I reckon he was offed.

Lagos wrote:

Maybe he had a double life/scandal soneone threatened to expose.

There are quite a few stories that that was the case. I heard a few things, first off that he was gay and then in a separate rumour that the Sun had dirt on him and were going to publish it. Its all rumour though, half the time people just make these assumptions and they turn into a story doing the rounds.

A well known and well liked shop owner in the town I live in killed himself on Saturday too so its been a weird few days with pretty much everyone talking about suicide.

I'd definitely come down on the non-judgemental side of the argument. I've never suffered from depression so I can't get my head into a place where I could even begin to contemplate suicide. I have seen one person in particular suffer with it though and it just seems to flick a switch and he's an entirely different man. The fact is its a disease and people should not be judged for it. Thats my 2 cents worth on it anyway.