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We got Man City in the Carling.

redwhiteAustrian

If we want to beat them, we have to put our strongest line up out and even then it'll be tough.
Given what we witnessed yesterday, I struggle to see how the majority of our first eleven should recover in time for this game (same with City's, but their depth is significantly better than ours).

It really is pointless to play our best possible team.
The risk of them getting injured is even higher, if they play too often without getting a break.

Biggus is right, momentum is important for a team like us and I'm desperate to finally win a Cup as well, but fourth place is a priority for us and Wigan away on Saturday is a potential banana skin. We need our first team players rested there.

If as good as no first teamers are involved in the tie vs City, which momentum should we/they lose if we go out on Tuesday?

y va marquer

I'm thinking along those lines as well redwhite.

We're never going to amount to anything if we persist with this thinking that a poor result will precipitate a slump of post CC final proportions.
I think the current squad has enough mature and balanced characters to cope with the aftermath of our B team losing to Man City (if that happens).

We're underdogs for this, we should relish the thought of a fight and causing an upset.
Focusing on the fear of the effect of losing guarantees that you're going to be unduly affected by a loss.

Be strong and deal with whatever happens, excessive hand wringing and navel gazing after any setback is destructive. Players have to have a sense of perspective, forget the result, double up on the effort and move on.
We should be done with playing with fear.

Rex

Flappy
Djourou, Squillaci, Kos, ?
Diaby, Frimpong/Coquelin, Benayoun
Oxpot, Park, Gervinho

That´s the team I´d like to see. Feel that team would have a decent shot at winning. LB is pretty much the only position I can´t think of a decent player to play, but would probably give Miquel a start there. Kos has had almost a week´s rest by Tuesday, and Gervinho only played 20 minutes yesterday. They will both have plenty of time to rest until Wigan.

Walcott, RVP, TV, Arteta should all be on the bench as well.

Claudius

Nela wrote:
We need to take this seriously. Momentum is important. I'm all for giving a few fringe players like Benayoun, Frimpog, Diaby and the OX a start.

But I really hope we keep our regular back 5. I'd rest Per, and go with Vermaelen-Koscielny at the back.

This. I would definitely rest only Arteta, Walcott, van Persie and Song. They have real mileage. Chamakh and Arshavin should start with a reminder that they are paid employees, not volunteers.

QuincyAbeyie

Fabianski
Coquelin - Djourou - Squillaci - Miquel
Frimpong - Diaby
Chamberlain - Rosicky - Benayoun
Park

I know some of you want a stronger team, but PL and reaching that 4th place is sooo important to me, I wouldn't risk key players getting injured here.

Claudius

The defense needs to play. We do not need another Manvhester Massacre.

Biggus

y va marquer wrote:
I'm thinking along those lines as well redwhite.

We're never going to amount to anything if we persist with this thinking that a poor result will precipitate a slump of post CC final proportions.
I think the current squad has enough mature and balanced characters to cope with the aftermath of our B team losing to Man City (if that happens).

We're underdogs for this, we should relish the thought of a fight and causing an upset.
Focusing on the fear of the effect of losing guarantees that you're going to be unduly affected by a loss.

Be strong and deal with whatever happens, excessive hand wringing and navel gazing after any setback is destructive. Players have to have a sense of perspective, forget the result, double up on the effort and move on.
We should be done with playing with fear.

It's all very well to say 'deal with it' and refrain from 'excessive hand wringing and navel gazing' but when we end up yet again nothing with nothing in May this group of players will face the exact same criticism that others have faced before and so the cycle continues.

The shocking news about Gary Speed reinforces the fact that nobody knows whats just around the corner, as you grow older you'll realise that it's pointless trying to be too clever and second guess, we must live our lives as if every day will be our last but dream like we'll live forever, and just keep getting on with trying to survive every day and win every game as it comes up.
You can't pick and choose which games you win and which you won't.

Rex

Rosicky is injured.

Biggus

NO! you're kidding me....... :o

Rex

In response to forum member Wilshere who had him in his preferred team to face Man City. In fact Biggus, Rosicky has very rarely been injured the last two seasons.

y va marquer

I'm not sure that I want to bring the tragic death of Gary Speed into this debate Biggus.

I know you can't pick and choose which matches you win, I know none of us know what's just around the corner.
My point is very simple, we have to prioritise, your priority is a trophy (any trophy). Mine is the PL, CL, FA Cup and CC.
In that exact order.

I would therefore send the young players plus squad players plus a couple of first choice defenders out to face City.
I would tell them to chase, harry and make it beyond hard for City.
I'd tell them play as if their lives depended on it and see what that will bring.

Just to be clear I would only rest players for PL games if they are really, truly physically unable to compete and last the pace of the game.

The CC would be a sad trophy to have if it serves us as a reminder of the season Spurs finished ahead of us and we ended up sixth in the league.

QuincyAbeyie

Humble Rex wrote:
Rosicky is injured.

Forgot about that.. I don't know then, Yennaris at right back, Coquelin as DM with Frimpong and Diaby to take Rosicky's place?

I'm not gonna pretend that I know the first thing about Yennaris, though.

Biggus

y va marquer wrote:
The CC would be a sad trophy to have if it serves us as a reminder of the season Spurs finished ahead of us and we ended up sixth in the league.

It would be sadder if we ended up behind them in sixth place anyway and with nothing.
There are no guarantees in life, better to have tried and lost than not have tried at all.

Mirth

I'm all for playing the strongest possible line up, within reason.

I don't think the likes of RvP, Walcott, Ramsey and Arteta can play but Koscielny, Benayoun, Oxdale-Chambo and Diaby can all start. Unfortunately because of injuries I don't think our defence will be very strong and City have lethal reserve strikers, so I can't see us winning.

y va marquer

I just don't see it that way Biggus.
I'm not saying we throw the game, or don't try, or play without any experienced players at all, but I don't see the point in jeopardizing our PL campaign by going gung ho for the CC.
None of the top teams do.
United were humiliated in the CC last season and it didn't put a dent in them in any way.

Biggus

Man Utd are hardly short of a trophy are they?
The devil drives as needs must.

y va marquer

They're devilish alright.
You won't persuade on this one Biggus 🙂

redwhiteAustrian

Hopefully Wenger has something up his sleeve in regards to tactics to deal with them.
Two 0-0 draws at home against City since Mancini is their manager, apart from the 3-0 win away there last season.

Biggus

Looking at the Liverpool game, they're beatable.

Klaus

I said this on the first page of the thread, but - our reserves will beat the shit out of them come tuesday. Just watch.

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