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jones

Couple of swing rounds there for sure but no way did Thurman take seven rounds last night. Should have been a UD imo, Thurman did well to stay in it but didn't do enough for me. Pacquiao probably could've ended it in the 10th too

jones

Also RIP Pernell Sweet Pea Whitaker. One of the greatest boxers ever. Found this eulogy of sorts by Stephen Edwards a great boxing trainer and analyst:

Often times the praise that a fighter gets is misguided. I’ve seen it with many fighters but Whitaker is at the top of the list. The compliments that Whitaker receives is almost an insult to his real game. People call him a defensive wizard and a stick and mover. He was that but much more.

Pernell Whitaker is among the best 30 fighters in the history of boxing. Most likely higher but I’m doing this off the top of my head. He’s among the top 5 lightweights ever. He’s one of 8 or 9 men in history who have won the lightweight title and the welterweight title. He’s one of the 6 men in history to win the lightweight title and the junior middleweight title. He could be our best ever amateur fighter at 132lbs. That’s just his accomplishments.

Here is my subjective view of his skills. He has the best south paw jab ever and one of the best 20 jabs in the history of boxing. He’s an A+ in fighter and body puncher. He’s one of the top 3 or southpaws ever. Most likely the best. Over the last 40 years he has to be in the top 5 fighters. He’s one of meanest and gutsy fighters I have ever seen. He had a personality of he literally didn’t care who he fought. If you know boxing you know he was never the cause of a fight NOT happening. He was no taller than 5’5 and he was able to win a junior middleweight title. He may be the shortest junior middleweight champion in history. He was immensely strong and with huge legs. He’s one of the top 5 pure boxers in boxing history. He’s one of the top 5 defensive fighters in boxing history. And he’s one of the top 10 out fighters in boxing history.

Pernell Whitaker was truly special. I’ve seen over half of his career fights live as they happened and he’s every bit as good as Ray Leonard, Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather. He wasn't marketed the way they were, but skill for skill, accomplishment for accomplishment, eye ball test on best day he’s right there. A+ fighter.

Bold Tone

jones wrote:
Couple of swing rounds there for sure but no way did Thurman take seven rounds last night. Should have been a UD imo, Thurman did well to stay in it but didn't do enough for me. Pacquiao probably could've ended it in the 10th too

That's boxing for you.
Unless there's a KO you never know.
I also rightly assumed judges favour the guy putting the pressure on in the latter rounds.

I've learned over the years to always err on the side of caution so always give the even rounds to the guy i'm not supporting.

Bold Tone

jones wrote:
Also RIP Pernell Sweet Pea Whitaker. One of the greatest boxers ever. Found this eulogy of sorts by Stephen Edwards a great boxing trainer and analyst:

Often times the praise that a fighter gets is misguided. I’ve seen it with many fighters but Whitaker is at the top of the list. The compliments that Whitaker receives is almost an insult to his real game. People call him a defensive wizard and a stick and mover. He was that but much more.

Pernell Whitaker is among the best 30 fighters in the history of boxing. Most likely higher but I’m doing this off the top of my head. He’s among the top 5 lightweights ever. He’s one of 8 or 9 men in history who have won the lightweight title and the welterweight title. He’s one of the 6 men in history to win the lightweight title and the junior middleweight title. He could be our best ever amateur fighter at 132lbs. That’s just his accomplishments.

Here is my subjective view of his skills. He has the best south paw jab ever and one of the best 20 jabs in the history of boxing. He’s an A+ in fighter and body puncher. He’s one of the top 3 or southpaws ever. Most likely the best. Over the last 40 years he has to be in the top 5 fighters. He’s one of meanest and gutsy fighters I have ever seen. He had a personality of he literally didn’t care who he fought. If you know boxing you know he was never the cause of a fight NOT happening. He was no taller than 5’5 and he was able to win a junior middleweight title. He may be the shortest junior middleweight champion in history. He was immensely strong and with huge legs. He’s one of the top 5 pure boxers in boxing history. He’s one of the top 5 defensive fighters in boxing history. And he’s one of the top 10 out fighters in boxing history.

Pernell Whitaker was truly special. I’ve seen over half of his career fights live as they happened and he’s every bit as good as Ray Leonard, Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather. He wasn't marketed the way they were, but skill for skill, accomplishment for accomplishment, eye ball test on best day he’s right there. A+ fighter.

RIP indeed!
He was a favourite of mine and thought he got robbed by judges a couple of times.

Bold Tone

Unbelievably, a second fighter dies days after Maxim Dadashev.
RIP Hugo Santillan
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2019/07/25/hugo-santillan-dies-injuries-suffered-fight-maxim-dadashev-eduardo-abreu/1826318001/

Apparently he was suspended till the end of the month by the German boxing authorities after taking a beating in his previous fight where he went up a division and but circumvented the ban by fighting in Argentina.
https://3kingsboxing.com/argentine-boxer-santillan-passes-away/

Also on safety in boxing, the below article ask a pertinent question as Rivas life was at risk against an opponent on PEDs.
"If Dillian Whyte’s A sample was positive three days prior to his bout, why were Oscar Rivas and his representatives not informed?"
http://www.boxing.com/whyte_positive_drug_test_passing_the_buck_at_the_expense_of_fighter_safety.html

Bold Tone

Campbell was too big for Loma who should go back down even though he won this!

Those things round his neck 😆

That thing round his neck 😆

MistaT

Thought Campbell did well, certainly better than some of Lomo's recent victims.

Tough to see such a great fight have so few competitors.

jones

Did well but as Tone said the size difference was the major reason he could stay competitive.

Another Brit Anthony Yarde did extremely well vs Kovalev the same weekend. Got within inches of knocking him out even if he was stopped himself eventually. Moved past Buatsi with this performance who most Brits seem to rate higher than him.

Bold Tone

Naoya Inoue vs Nonito Donaire: WBSS Final Set November 7!

jones

Great news. Inoue will be too much for Donaire at this stage but it'll be good to see him against strong competition. Love me some Inoue easily the best puncher in boxing these days some of those angles he throws from only Roy Jones could find.

Bold Tone

If he wins this, it would be very close between him and Loma for P4P champion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_pound_for_pound_rankings#Top_10_rankings_men

Daz

I love watching Inoue box.

jones

Bold Tone wrote:
If he wins this, it would be very close between him and Loma for P4P champion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_pound_for_pound_rankings#Top_10_rankings_men

I'd say it's already between them and Usyk for #1 P4P. Usyk hasn't fought this year and his only fight will be a tune up due to him going up to HW but he was by far fighter of the year in 2018. He went on the road three times dominated everyone and took everyone's belt home, been a while since someone pulled something like this off

Bold Tone

You are right that Usyk deserves a mention as, like Mayweather, he often doesn't look like he has had to get out of 3rd gear.
This is a luxury not open to lower weight fighters where is much less coasting and that's what swayed my opinion.
I'm open to having my mind changed but my thinking is Lomachenko is the most skilled, Crawford the most cerebral, Usyk the most dominant with Inoue the most fearsome as his liver punches are something else.

jones

I'd switch the attributes of Loma and Crawford. Crawford is highly intelligent in the ring as well but one of the things that set him apart is his ability to switch hit. Loma on the other hand is outrageously good at creating and solving puzzles in the ring, his constant creation of angles and collapsing of pockets is second to none.

Bold Tone

Your argument is valid as they all possess a bit of everything but Loma, with a right-dominant hand, fighting matrix-style southpaw blows my mind.

flobaba

I want to see Errol Spence v Buddy.

That should be a proper fight.

Bold Tone

Errol Spence Jr defeats Shawn Porter via split decision to add WBC belt to IBF title

Spence Jr will face Danny Garcia next.
David Benavidez stopped Anthony Dirrell, who was badly cut, in nine rounds to win the WBC super-middleweight title.
Unbeaten Benavidez, still aged just 22, is now a two-time world champion after a physical and rugged performance.
Mario Barrios knocked down Batyr Akhmedov in the 12th round then earned a unanimous decision to take home the WBA super-lightweight title.
https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/11822485/errol-spence-jr-defeated-shawn-porter-via-split-decision-to-add-wbc-belt-to-ibf-title

jones

Porter fought a very good fight with the tools he has. The guy could fight Robinson in his prime and would still make it uncomfortable for his opponent, kudos to him. Hope Spence goes after someone else, never a big fan of Garcia and he's past it now anyway.

Bold Tone

Maybe I should credit Porter as it was the worst fight performance I've ever seen from Spence.
I don't know if he underestimated Porter who scored more eye-catching power punches that sway judges to the extent that I think the 11th round knock-down saved the win.

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