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Samir Nasri

lorddulaarsenal

Off topic but what's this about www.thesun.co.uk

lorddulaarsenal

Turns out the suns website has been hacked. Showing a bogus story about rupert murdochs suicide

Captain

I saw it; said that he drank acid and melted in his garden. 😆

lorddulaarsenal

Yep was weird

sabret00the

Captain wrote:
It doesn't matter. That wasn't the point of the comment.

You can't have it all on your terms, whether that was the point of your comment or not is inconsequential, it was the point of my comment made in the clearest of manners as not to confuse.

Captain

sabret00the wrote:
Captain wrote:
It doesn't matter. That wasn't the point of the comment.

You can't have it all on your terms, whether that was the point of your comment or not is inconsequential, it was the point of my comment made in the clearest of manners as not to confuse.

You quoted me and misdirected what I wrote. It doesn't matter how clear you were.

sabret00the

Captain wrote:
sabret00the wrote:
You can't have it all on your terms, whether that was the point of your comment or not is inconsequential, it was the point of my comment made in the clearest of manners as not to confuse.

You quoted me and misdirected what I wrote. It doesn't matter how clear you were.

😆 priceless. I'll look forward to the next instalment of you acting like the authority on all things football and then running away in claims of 'that wasn't my point though' as you're making a habit of it now.

Captain

Cool.

rorythegooner

sabret00the wrote:
Captain wrote:
He's in demand as a speaker because he oversees a team that is competitive and sits at the top table every season on a smaller budget than his peers. He persistently digs up 'unknowns' and makes them realise their potential and his team play some of the best football in the world.

Get real.

I'm very pro-Wenger but I have a problem with the bolded part. He took players who were destined for greatness and fell at an early hurdle and gave them a new pair of trainers. He's had far more failures than successes and he's been shown to be lacking when it comes to motivating players on numerous occasions. Wenger is an above average manager without a doubt, but when it comes to players outside of those he had early in their careers there's nothing but question-marks. Fabregas is his only real success at this point.

Think your being really harsh on someone who has one of the best transfers records in the world and also a big reputation for developing talent.

Surley Wilshere can also be counted as a success? Did Vieira, Pires, Ljungberg, Nasri, Cole, etc etc etc all fall at an early hurdle? I dont recall that being the case. There are many many other players I could mention to back this up also so I totally disagree with everything you have said above.

sabret00the

rorythegooner wrote:
sabret00the wrote:
I'm very pro-Wenger but I have a problem with the bolded part. He took players who were destined for greatness and fell at an early hurdle and gave them a new pair of trainers. He's had far more failures than successes and he's been shown to be lacking when it comes to motivating players on numerous occasions. Wenger is an above average manager without a doubt, but when it comes to players outside of those he had early in their careers there's nothing but question-marks. Fabregas is his only real success at this point.

Think your being really harsh on someone who has one of the best transfers records in the world and also a big reputation for developing talent.

Surley Wilshere can also be counted as a success? Did Vieira, Pires, Ljungberg, Nasri, Cole, etc etc etc all fall at an early hurdle? I dont recall that being the case. There are many many other players I could mention to back this up also so I totally disagree with everything you have said above.

Are you really trying to put Nasri in the same league as Vieira, Pires, Ljungberg and Cole? Seems a little disrespectful.

Also, all of Wenger's transfer successes are from yesteryear. The ones of today are all questionable given that our odds of finishing top two are just as long as our odds of winning the title. Wenger is, on current standing, Moyes with a bit of history.

Wenger's successes are outnumbered by his failures whether we're talking about trophies or players. That's a sad fact but it's true. For every Vieira there's five Denilson's, every Pires five Quincy's, for every Freddie there's five Rosicky's and for every Cole there's a Gibbs. The key to his early success is the thing that underlines his failures now, his overt commitment to players and the family mentality of the squad. For every season we're forced to put up with Diaby and Rosicky, there's a player we opted not to buy in their names and thus we failed to strengthen the squad. He lacks the ruthlessness of those proven more successful then he.

That said, I believe he is the man for us and will win us at least two more league titles, though not back to back.

rorythegooner

sabret00the wrote:
rorythegooner wrote:
Think your being really harsh on someone who has one of the best transfers records in the world and also a big reputation for developing talent.

Surley Wilshere can also be counted as a success? Did Vieira, Pires, Ljungberg, Nasri, Cole, etc etc etc all fall at an early hurdle? I dont recall that being the case. There are many many other players I could mention to back this up also so I totally disagree with everything you have said above.

Are you really trying to put Nasri in the same league as Vieira, Pires, Ljungberg and Cole? Seems a little disrespectful.

Also, all of Wenger's transfer successes are from yesteryear. The ones of today are all questionable given that our odds of finishing top two are just as long as our odds of winning the title. Wenger is, on current standing, Moyes with a bit of history.

Wenger's successes are outnumbered by his failures whether we're talking about trophies or players. That's a sad fact but it's true. For every Vieira there's five Denilson's, every Pires five Quincy's, for every Freddie there's five Rosicky's and for every Cole there's a Gibbs. The key to his early success is the thing that underlines his failures now, his overt commitment to players and the family mentality of the squad. For every season we're forced to put up with Diaby and Rosicky, there's a player we opted not to buy in their names and thus we failed to strengthen the squad. He lacks the ruthlessness of those proven more successful then he.

That said, I believe he is the man for us and will win us at least two more league titles, though not back to back.

I was'nt saying that Nasri was as good as those guys but I would still class him as a good bit of business by Wenger which you seem to discredit.

You liken Wenger to Moyes yet you still feel he will guide us to 2 more titles, suppose you also think Moyes would do that in the same position? hahaha really dont make me laugh

Claudius

Nasri is every bit as good as Ljunberg.
Imagine in your head if peak Nasri and peak Ljunberg were switched, with Ljunberg having to play with our collection of scrubs rather than have to make runs for passes from Bergkamp and Henry

rorythegooner

Caligula wrote:
Nasri is every bit as good as Ljunberg.
Imagine in your head if peak Nasri and peak Ljunberg were switched, with Ljunberg having to play with our collection of scrubs rather than have to make runs for passes from Bergkamp and Henry

fair point but debatable as they are both very different players. Those 2 would make anybody look good though would'nt they!!

Meatwad

Caligula wrote:
Nasri is every bit as good as Ljunberg.
Imagine in your head if peak Nasri and peak Ljunberg were switched, with Ljunberg having to play with our collection of scrubs rather than have to make runs for passes from Bergkamp and Henry

i don't understand, so you say switch them ... and instead of making runs for passes from bergkamp and henry, freddie has to make runs for passes from the the sub standard equivalents of bergkamp and henry in our current setup? follow that to its logical conclusion ... who would those two be: cesc and rvp?

YounGunner

Caligula wrote:
Nasri is every bit as good as Ljunberg.
Imagine in your head if peak Nasri and peak Ljunberg were switched, with Ljunberg having to play with our collection of scrubs rather than have to make runs for passes from Bergkamp and Henry

In the end of 01/02 Ljungberg stepped up heroically after Pires was ruled out for the rest of the season. When it most mattered Freddie took the team by the scruff and saw us past the finish line.

Nasri on the other hand, had a nice purple patch but completely went AWOL when the trophies were in sight and then demands to be on higher wages than Fabregas.

I know who i'd rather have. Its funny that after 3 good months in 3 years Nasri is suddenly this world class player who deserves to be compared to our previous legends. He is still an unproven player in my eyes.

Claudius

I think context is important. Ljunberg was surrounded by much better players, who really helped him perform. He was brilliant after Pires got injured, and kept scoring, but make no mistake that he was benefiting from playing on a really good team. Ljunberg would be as frustrating as any of our wide forwards if he was on the current team. He was an excellent, committed player, but not a transcendent talent

Klaus

He was an incredible talent. Playing together with some of the best midfielders in the history might have made him stand out a little less, but he was being courted by the likes of Barca from a very young age. He was one of those players everybody knew would become a prominent figure at a European top club sooner or later.

sabret00the

rorythegooner wrote:
I was'nt saying that Nasri was as good as those guys but I would still class him as a good bit of business by Wenger which you seem to discredit.

You liken Wenger to Moyes yet you still feel he will guide us to 2 more titles, suppose you also think Moyes would do that in the same position? hahaha really dont make me laugh

Those guys won things, Nasri? He won player of the month. There's no comparison.

Moyes is a hugely respected manager who has kept his team competitive despite being incredibly underfunded and thus being forced to rely on his youth system and bargains to reinforce the team.

Wenger is a hugely respected manager who has kept his team competitive despite being incredibly underfunded and thus being forced to rely on his youth system and bargains to reinforce the team.

Clearly a little disrespectful but you get the point, the Nasri point on the other hand? 😆 Success my arse, he's done nothing for us.

Clrnc

Really? Don't seem to remember. I think Ljungberg was abit of a coup by us, but he wasn't really a huge talent that everyone knew about.

Klaus

He might have escaped public awareness but all the clubs with scouting networks knew about him. Barcelona wanted to buy him right after his first senior game when he was seventeen but their offer wasn't good enough.

Of course knowing that a player exists and actually taking a chance on him are two separate things. I've always felt that one of Wenger's finest achievements were to take two central-attacking midfielders like Pires and Ljungberg and turn them into two of the best wingers in Europe. He's seemingly done the same thing with Nasri.

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