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Samir Nasri

Armor

To be fair the reason we've ended up with Denilson and Bendtner on long contracts and big wages is because we made the effort to tie them down early. Obviously the hope was they would become important players but ..well that didn't work out.

If Nasri got big money and then underperformed for a season, everyone would be moaning that we overpay.

Qwiss

The big difference for me between Nasri and Flamini is how they were acquired and then how the featured. We paid near €15m for Nasri, regardless of his form he should have been resigned last summer.

Biggus

And what about Wiltord? signed for a whopping 13M in 2000 and let go for free 4 years later by our financial wizard. 😆

Armor wrote:
To be fair the reason we've ended up with Denilson and Bendtner on long contracts and big wages is because we made the effort to tie them down early. Obviously the hope was they would become important players but ..well that didn't work out.

Indeed it didn't.
What Fabregas Bendtner and Denilson have in common is none of them want to be here, but the difference between them is everyone would love to have Fabregas and no one wants Bendtner nor Denilson.

And Flamini (whom no one here appears to rate ) had no problem in finding a little old club called AC Milan.

Burnwinter

Captain wrote:
Humble Rex wrote:
The club has spent the last 18 months putting almost every first team player on a long term contract. For some reason neither Nasri nor Sneezey were a priority at the time. In my mind both those players have been among the brightest prospects and should have been among the first players attended to. We almost lost Sneezey and we look as if we can lose Nasri. The whole situation certainly could have been handled better by the club.

They have been negotiating with Nasri since last summer (with two years left on his contract) and Chesney hadn't even played a first team game yet.

Yeah. Hate to burst everyone's bubble, but employees don't sign up to new contracts just because the club initiates negotiations in a timely manner. To get favourable terms, the club has to raise the issue delicately, and not appear desperate to sew things up.

As far as getting a good deal financially, Nasri has played his cards exactly right, and part of that was holding fire on his contract for a while while he built his profile. Now he has us right where he wants us, and has the attention of our rivals as well.

Captain

You have to get over Flamini one day mate. He's an average player who had a four month purple patch that got him his free move to Milan where he has gone back to being average.

When there was a fee involved (as per denilson and Bendtner), the only team to show any interest were a Birmingham City playing in the Championship.

Captain

Coming back to Nasri, has anybody noticed that all of these reports of £20m bids and Nasri's desperation to leave are coming from the North West based Journalists at their respective rags?

They may not be as blatant as Barcelona, but all football teams operate in the same manner.

Biggus

Captain wrote:
You have to get over Flamini one day mate. He's an average player who had a four month purple patch that got him his free move to Milan where he has gone back to being average.

When there was a fee involved (as per denilson and Bendtner), the only team to show any interest were a Birmingham City playing in the Championship.

Have you ever thought of being a grief counselor Capi?

Rohit

Burnwinter wrote:
Captain wrote:
They have been negotiating with Nasri since last summer (with two years left on his contract) and Chesney hadn't even played a first team game yet.

Yeah. Hate to burst everyone's bubble, but employees don't sign up to new contracts just because the club initiates negotiations in a timely manner. To get favourable terms, the club has to raise the issue delicately, and not appear desperate to sew things up.

As far as getting a good deal financially, Nasri has played his cards exactly right, and part of that was holding fire on his contract for a while while he built his profile. Now he has us right where he wants us, and has the attention of our rivals as well.

I agree.

How much Nasri has been offered is pure speculation but if we have a wage structure in place, Nasri shouldn't be the player we should be breaking it for. If i am not wrong Henry and Vieira were paid as per market standards.

Acquiescing to Nasri's demands, if they are money driven indeed, will not just mean breaking our wage ceiling for a particular player but altering our wage structure altogether.

I have always believed in Nasri's talent but he hasn't produced any more than half a season of football that is worthy of his talent. We need to have a meritocratic system in place whereby the club suo motu rewards performance with money that is commensurate with the market. For the rest of the players in the squad this money should be aspirational which will drive them to perform better. The younger players should not be seeing the club administration yielding to strong arm tactics of an underperforming player. If Henry was rewarded with a bumper last contract then the players need to know the club will reward them too when they achieve a level of performance and contribute to our success. Where was Nasri in the Carling Cup final?

We aren't Manchester City where there is no structure and no logic.

Tam

Rohit wrote:
We aren't Manchester City where there is no structure and no logic.

Aside from the fact we can't afford to be, I wouldn't want the club run like that either.

If Nasri doesn't like that, he can go pick up bigger wages elsewhere to pay for stripey jumpers, berets and strings of onions.

y va marquer

Well that's what's wrong with our club.
All decisions are made for financial as opposed to football reasons.

We won't break our wage structure for any player = our wage structure is more important than the continuing contribution of any individual player.

Is it true that Diaby is on £60k a week?
How is it logical that he earns that when Nasri and Robin have only recently been offered £90k?

As for the admiratiom of structure and logic, I'd admire it more if it were applied to defending set pieces.
Unfortunately for us teams who ignore it in their wage structure are the teams that are winning things.
Pity we can't arrange the world of football and business to suit our most admirable way of operating.

The advent of FFP may help I suppose.

Captain

I doubt Diaby's reported wage is true but 90k is massively more than 60k; that's an extra £1.5m per year. It's easy to lose sight of how big these sums of money are as we have been desensitized by constant exposure to such figures.

Rohit

y va marquer wrote:
Unfortunately for us teams who ignore it in their wage structure are the teams that are winning things.

Are they?

Manchester United have won the title for 4 of the last 5 seasons. They win first and then let the ignorance and indifference towards wages for important players creep in.

Rooney was indulged last season because of his contribution to the team's success in the preceding seasons, it was because the man stood up when the team needed him.

If only we could improve our set piece defending by escalating player wages.

y va marquer

Rohit, are you saying United have as rigid a wage structure as we do and that players such as Anderson are on a maximum of £30k per week less than Rio for example?
I don't know the answer to that by the way, but I would be amazed if it were the case. Maybe it is.

Back to us - I still see it that adhering rigidly to our current wage structure at the expense of holding onto players who are key performers in the team is hurting us.

I'm not suggesting we abandon it completely but why not be more flexible and willing to negotiate basic salaries on a case by case basis?
There will only ever be a handful of players who are worth the exception?

I can't believe that we have so many fans who are passionate about denying the "five month wonder" Nasri the extra money 🙂

I'm much more concerned by the thought that Denilson, Almunia, Rosicky and Bendtner are still earning relatively big salaries at our club.

Rohit

I am not suggesting United are rigid and i don't think even we are.

United too stood firm when the Rooney saga unfolded last season, it wasn't as if they gave into his demands immediately despite Rooney's massive contributions to their successes in the preceding seasons. Those may have simply been negotiating tactics or simply an assertion of the club's supremacy over players but United did hold out even though the whole incident was resulting in bad PR and could have had an impact on team morale.

What i was trying to imply was that they wouldn't have really entertained unreasonable demands from Rooney in the middle of the 2006/07 season. The player contributes to the success of the club and gets rewarded for it. I am not saying Nasri's demands are unreasonable and I am certain that Nasri would have been paid whatever he asked for had he taken responsibility when the team needed him the most. The club would have shown all flexibility.

I don't know who earns what really and conjecturing doesn't help but this entire issue can't simply be looked at from Nasri's point of view. Salaries are relative not just in the whole world of football but moreso within the team. If Nasri were to get a raise, a number of other players would be justified in feeling they deserve one too. This is not about a ceiling but the entire structure. We give in to Nasri's demand of £ 110,000/ week, some other player would think he is as deserving as Nasri based on performance and that will skew the entire structure.

I would be extremely angry at the club not taking care of Nasri if he had scored or won us the Carling Cup final in the absence of Cesc and RVP, had he lifted his game in the second half of the season, but he didn't.

I am hoping though that he stays and fulfills his massive potential with us.

Rex

You are 100 % correct Y va.
A lot of you are quite frankly out of your minds. It really is as simple as this: If we want to win trophies we need top class players. If we want top class players here, we need to pay them top salaries. This bullshit about him not being worthy of 110k per week is also stupid. Anybody reasonably smart understands that if there are several clubs willing to pay him the 110k per week he is asking for, then that is what he is worth, and we should pay the man.

If we DON´T want top class players here, if we DON´T want to REALLY challenge for trophies, then our board should come out and say so. Highest ticket prices in Europe and refuses to retain top players because of reasonable wage demands? Idiotic! It´s not as if we would be taking a massive financial risk by paying the man. We have the money! Read every damn financial report available!

It makes absolutely NO sense at all to let a 24 year old Nasri go after him having spent 2 seasons here developing and really just given us one top class season.

Qwiss

Rohit wrote:
United too stood firm when the Rooney saga unfolded last season, it wasn't as if they gave into his demands immediately despite Rooney's massive contributions to their successes in the preceding seasons.

But they did give into them in the end. Rooney fucked United last season. He acted like a complete cunt and they bent over and took it hard. And its not the first time they've bowed down to a players demands, they do it all the time with their top players. And you know what it wins them titles. A bit of pragmatism goes a long way.

Rohit

Qs, i am not entirely disagreeing, but do you think United would have done the same with Nani after initially resisting at the same point last season, when Nani was showing his best form since having joined United? I personally don't think so.

I think it is foolish to haggle over £2 Million with another club in the transfer market for a talented player but wages are different when amended for just one demanding player who has not commensurately performanced as it sets a standard.

YounGunner

At least Rooney won things for Utd before turning into a money hungry cnut.

Timbob

Well, reports today that we ARE prepared to push the boat out in a last attempt to keep him and give him his 110k a week.

Rex

Saw that. Finally something that makes sense.

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