Tam wrote:

Why do people always want us to copy what fucking Barcelona do, Spanish cunts. Fuck Barca, fuck the Spanish, fuck their world cup win, their Euro championships win, their midget footballers, paella, Penelope Cruz, party islands, Pique, flamenco dancing, La Rambla, Puyol, and the Sagrada Familia.

Regards,

Biggus

Wouldn´t mind fucking Penelope Cruz now that you mention it...

ideal candidates for similar type of deals (not necessarily 11m with a 12m buyback, more like 2-5m with a 4-8m buyback) are:
Carlos Vela
Kieran Gibbs/Traore
Henri Lansbury
Kyle Bartley

and if the team we sold them to don't want us to buy that player back for 4-8m in a couple years then they have to pay an additional _15m.

I could be wrong here, but haven't we always had buy back clauses in our young sales? I'm almost certain that Bentley had one as well as that massive sell-on fee.

no we don't have buybacks we have big sell-on fees.

100% certain?

Only thing I could find:

Wenger, normally such a brilliant judge of player, even admitted that he often slips in a buy-back clause when he lets some young players go, but didn't do it with Bentley.

Link

Meatwad wrote:

ideal candidates for similar type of deals (not necessarily 11m with a 12m buyback, more like 2-5m with a 4-8m buyback) are:
Carlos Vela
Kieran Gibbs/Traore
Henri Lansbury
Kyle Bartley

and if the team we sold them to don't want us to buy that player back for 4-8m in a couple years then they have to pay an additional _15m.

Right, but how many young players that we've sold down the years have we've regretted losing in the first place? In which case we might as well sell them outright. And slapping on a buy back clause like this would surely lower the amount other teams are willing to pay upfront for the player?

As I said, the Bojan deal is an outlier.

I vaguely remember it being mentioned in relation to Bentley in particular so maybe it was that exact article where I read it.

so one of the few players who was potentially worth a buyback shout conveniently didn't have one. and we've never bought a young player back. okay i'll believe him if matthew connolly has an excellent first year in the prem with qpr and we buy him back. Diarra had a sell-on clause, why not a buyback? another convenient miss? when sidwell was making a name for himself with reading and signing on a free with chelsea, why wasn't he bought back the previous year? Nordtveit must have a buyback then (another "past" ideal candidate for this type of deal structuring).

doesn't sound right.

Didn't we have a buy back thingy with Muamba? Pretty sure I read that somewhere, but it was obviously negated when he left Birmingham.

Meatwad wrote:

so one of the few players who was potentially worth a buyback shout conveniently didn't have one. and we've never bought a young player back. okay i'll believe him if matthew connolly has an excellent first year in the prem with qpr and we buy him back. Diarra had a sell-on clause, why not a buyback? another convenient miss? when sidwell was making a name for himself with reading and signing on a free with chelsea, why wasn't he bought back the previous year? Nordtveit must have a buyback then (another "past" ideal candidate for this type of deal structuring).

doesn't sound right.

Diarra was a senior professional and the others aren't good enough.

Meatwad wrote:

so one of the few players who was potentially worth a buyback shout conveniently didn't have one. and we've never bought a young player back. okay i'll believe him if matthew connolly has an excellent first year in the prem with qpr and we buy him back. Diarra had a sell-on clause, why not a buyback? another convenient miss? when sidwell was making a name for himself with reading and signing on a free with chelsea, why wasn't he bought back the previous year? Nordtveit must have a buyback then (another "past" ideal candidate for this type of deal structuring).

doesn't sound right.

In which case why don't we slap on a buy back on every player we sell? Not signing back Bentley and Sidwell is hardly the end of the world, if we'd sold Jack Wilshere by mistake on the other hand...generally speaking we've been pretty sure that a player's not good enough before we shipped them on.

And I think Wenger would sooner adopt Alex Hleb than have Diarra back in any capacity.

diarra wasn't so senior that we didn't tack on a sell-on clause like we do with the other young players (and don't do with every other senior player).

if sidwell was good enough for chelsea to take a flyer on when they had a much better team than us then he certainly would have been a better buyback option for our midfield in 2006 than getting denilson. just because he proved not good enough for the big time later doesn't mean we shouldn't have tried. that's no different from bentley who wenger basically admitted he would have bought back if the option was there and he later proved to not be good enough. i doubt that the option was there for sidwell (like bentley). and if it's not there for any of the players that could potentially be worth buying back then we might as well not claim we do it because what's the point if you're only attaching it to the justin hoytes of the world.

and i didn't say slap it on every player. just the young ones who clearly have a lot of potential and really need first team action and not in a loan capacity where the team doesn't have a financial incentive to see that player develop.

They only signed Sidwell because he was free, they would have never paid a fee for him.

Sidwell wasn't good enough for Chelsea or us, fuck knows why they took a punt on him at all. At the time we sold Sidwell and Bentley and, maybe, Diarra we probably figured that it would be worth gaining the extra money from future transfers than put in a buy back clause for players we didn't rate to begin with which was why we were selling them. And we got a substantial fee from both Diarra and Bentley from Madrid and, lol, Spurs so it did work out.

Also, what you are ignoring, is the fact that not every team will agree to such a clause; you can't just insert it willy-nilly in the terms of every transfer. These are players that we want to sell.

Diarra would never have agreed to a buy back clause. A sell on fee is agreed between the 2 clubs, a buy back would be written in to the players contract.

Peeps gettin confoozed with first refusals