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Big Willie

Sicario2 you’re a kid

😂 that's rich coming from you.

Sicario2

Big Willie yeah cesc left for his childhood team. What’s Henry excuse?

70 percent of what Henry says about Arsenal comes from a bad place.

Not the same re Cesc. He is always glowing when speaking about us.

There is a reason Henry failed as a manger and Cesc is doing bits. Says a lot about their respective personalities. Cesc was as generational as Henry as far as a player goes so why is he better as a manager?

Big Willie

Sicario2 yeah cesc left for his childhood team. What’s Henry excuse?

70 percent of what Henry says about Arsenal comes from a bad place.

Not the same re Cesc. He is always glowing when speaking about us.

There is a reason Henry failed as a manger and Cesc is doing bits. Says a lot about their respective personalities. Cesc was as generational as Henry as far as a player goes so why is he better as a manager?

Wow. Just wow. All I can say is repeat my last post

Big Willie There's so much wrong with that post I didn't know where to start so just gave up and ignored it.

Anyways, I'm done entertaining this weird convo. Good luck supporting Fabregas, Mourinho, Conte and all your other random favourites. Hope it brings you happiness.

Qwiss

Sicario2 Cesc was as generational as Henry as far as a player goes

Delulu.

RocktheCasbah

Big Willie That may very well be the day I stop watching Arsenal

I mean, this does seem like a bit of a mad thing to say, would you really stop watching Arsenal just because they hired Cesc as manager? Why?

I don't think Cesc was at Thierry's level as a player, but he did carry the team on his shoulders in a way I don't think Thierry was ever really prepared to do once the Invincibles were broken up.

Big Willie

RocktheCasbah I mean, this does seem like a bit of a mad thing to say, would you really stop watching Arsenal just because they hired Cesc as manager? Why?

Wasn't being fully serious by the way. It was a greatly exaggered statement to show my disappointed if that would have happened. You could bring in Mourinho/Ten Hag/whoever and I'd still watch us. It would take something catastrophic for me to stop watching us after 30 years of emotional investment 😂.

RocktheCasbah but he did carry the team on his shoulders in a way I don't think Thierry was ever really prepared to do once the Invincibles were broken up.

They both carried the team on their shoulders, yes. However Thierry left us after giving us everything and was like 29 or something. Fabregas left us at like 23/24 at the start of his prime as soon as Barca seriously came in for him.

I think I've had this convo before with Speedster but I don't give credit to Fabregas for staying those 2 years between 08/09 and 10/11 because Barca were never prepared to make a bid for him. Until they did, which is when he pushed his way out, which is where my dislike for him comes from.

lorddulaarsenal

Should Arteta depart I’d be wanting Iraola

Burnwinter

Sicario2 I do think he is destined to be our gaffer post Arteta.

Whereas I think I'm destined to make a hundred quid from your Cesc fanaticism. 🤑

Como are at WLD after three rounds of Serie A, granted they're anything but a power club. Either way Cesc lacks the fortitude and practical intelligence to manage at the highest level.

Rohit

Sicario2 He will be a great coach than Arteta when all things are said and done as well.

I remember you saying something similar about Balogun at Arsenal.

Speedster

You should credit him for coming here for free and staying 8 seasons. He would have had tons of offers every season as he was one of the very best young players in the world. Anyone who kicked for a move in the era got one so he clearly could have as well. It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to think he couldn't have left sooner.

Big Willie

Speedster You should credit him for coming here for free.

We signed him as a 16 year old. Gave him an opportunity at one of the best clubs in the world at the time with some of the best players. I'm not sure but I also think I remember we took advantage of the fact we could give him a pro contract when Barca couldn't. It wasn't charity why he joined us. He obviously saw us an opportunity to thrive and develop among some WC players and under Arsene who was one of the most respected managers in football then.

Speedster It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to think he couldn't have left sooner.

For this, yeah, if he wanted to just leave for the sake of leaving he could have. He only wanted to go to Barca though. I think it takes much more mental gymnastics to convince yourself that Barca were coming in for him and he was turning down every year when the truth is all Barca did was try to unsettle him for a potential future purchase on the cheap.

Aside from that for everything else we've been over this before. Clearly we have differing opinions on this. You aren't gonna convince me he could easily have joined Barca and instead turned them down to stay loyal. And obviously I'm not going to be able to convince you that he jumped ship the first chance he got to join them.

Speedster

Player of the tournament at the u17's world cup and top scorer he could have went anywhere and chose here.

Exactly we can just agree on the facts, no other top player stayed 8 years as we entered into the post stadium poverty period.

Lots left after their break out season. Cesc stayed year on year. Playing injured and putting himself on the line time and time again carrying the team.

Big Willie

Speedster he could have went anywhere and chose here.

Again, not from a sense of selflessness and pity on us. He obviously thought it was his best route to become a pro working un AW and learning and playing alongside some of the best players in PL history.

Speedster Exactly we can just agree on the facts, no other top player stayed 8 years as we entered into the post stadium poverty period.

Again, Barca never made a single bid for him in that time prior to the summer he left. If they did and he turned them down that would be something. But they didn't, and as such he didn't. That is a fact.

Speedster

Big Willie

You could have that negative view about any player. He literally could have gone anywhere and chose us. What more can you ask for.

And he gave everything every game.

You weren't our DoF during that period. You don't know what talks were held. Like when RVP says he wasn't offered a contract here. He clearly said he didn't want one to not be handed a formal one. Negotiations are informal and then the lawyers trash out the details. He easily could have agreed a deal with Barca earlier and then forced a move. Cesc was willing to keep playing through the difficulties here. He could have left earlier for he wanted to and Barca were super high spenders during that period. If he came out in the papers and kicked for a move you'd be mad to think they wouldn't not have made a bid.

Burnwinter

Cesc doesn't get all the blame for leaving us when he did, our ambitions had faltered.

Thing is, Cesc's career decisions were low concept. Barca never needed him, and even now their fans barely seem to remember him. At Conte's Chelsea he was the one intelligent toe-bone in a lobotomised and corrupt body, and their fans also don't care about him.

Cesc's relationship with Arsenal was more obviously a relationship with Wenger. I get that, because Wenger had that paternal importance to many players. And I'm still fond of the guy, but I don't think he knew then or knows now how he used to instantly judge those defence-splitting passes, and he can't teach it.

His Scott Parker-tier managerial work at Como is not a calling card. The Premier League eats coaches like him for breakfast these days. He wouldn't last six months at Fulham, never mind Arsenal.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Cesc's touch took a hit towards the end of his time with us. He became too Premier League-ified. That's also why he wasn't critical at Barça.

tazmania

How did a Gyok thread turn into a Cesc one?
Without reading back, I blame Sicario. No offense mate, no one else obsesses about him as much as you 😂

Mirth

Only half the thread. Much like Cesc’s contributions, it couldn’t last the whole season.

Speedster

Mirth bit like when Salah carries pool. He runs out of steam before the end.

Qwiss

Speedster except Salah is still there at 33, won loads for them and never went on strike.

Speedster

Qwiss

I'm suspicious that Salah has a better team around him than cesc did at the time.

QuincyAbeyie

Qwiss shut up and praise Fabregas for not breaching his contract ealirer than what he did.

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