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Burnwinter

He's got nothing much to lose at this stage. The sheer humiliation of having a 15 year old make a fool out of you will work in his favour whenever he plays.

JazzG

This is against a dirty and overly physical team like Newcastle

Qwiss

JazzG Joelinton smashed him as soon as he came on but it didn't phase him at all.

flobaba

JazzG must be bloody scary. He's coming at you top speed into the box, every single time. And he's fully in control of the ball/situation. Defenders are going to be shitting themselves soon as he comes on.

Edit. At this rate, I expect him to get more minutes than Nwaneri this season. For whatever reason Nwaneri has lost some of that fearlessness and drive and is letting the game pass him by/playing it safe.

JazzG

Qwiss Some players never change, such a dirty cunt

lorddulaarsenal

Fuck in hell. He’s stupidly good. Athletically superior to most men already. Glides across the pitch with the ball glued to his foot.

IBL

Reminds me of Rooney (as much as I hate that prick).

flobaba

est Don says he's likely to turn out more like Merida. Chill guys.

lorddulaarsenal

flobaba go easy on Don. He’s having a hard time of it of late, struggling to process the amount of greatness we have with Saliba, Saka, Zubimendi, Gyokeres and Nwaneri on our books

daredevil

flobaba

You see these early spikes with all young talent and then there is a drop off and reversion to a mean performance. This is why I'm always wary with initial performances because I've seen it way too many times to get caught up in the hype.

Dowman will go through the same thing as Nwaneri at some point.

Burnwinter

flobaba For whatever reason Nwaneri has lost some of that fearlessness

Nwaneri is already being judged by the standards of a player not a prospect.

flobaba

daredevil Nwaneri's "problem" is more of understanding space and positioning naturally. And I think a bit of confidence. The latter he'll regain once the coaching staff are able to help him become a bit more effective with the former. He'll be fine.

Max has no problem. Give him the ball, get out of his way, or make yourself available for a pass if and when he chooses to bring you into play. He's that game breaker all teams are looking for. Super special

Meatwad

daredevil
this is his baseline. he hasn't produced the elite spikes yet in the first team environment. right now you're just seeing "oh wow he can do all that consistently at 15? nice."

flobaba

This ain't no spike DD. He's like this all day everyday, twice on Sundays.

daredevil

flobaba

I don't doubt that this is how the plays. It's when fatigue, niggles and the need to turn up consistently is when players tend to drop off and how they respond to that will determine if they can continue to excel in spite of that.

Mirth

flobaba I don't think so, Nwaneri's just figuring out the dynamics of playing and training at a high intensity week in, week out while being consistent and absorbing a catalogue of tactical instructions in between matches. It's generally a lot to take in and most players figure it out by 20-21 - whereas when he first broke through he just had to go out there and have 'fun'.

Dowman make skip this stage but that's a rarity - odds are he'll hit the same block in a year's time. Maybe he's a freak like MLS.

flobaba

PS I like that the ref gave the penalty today. Others may not have, but I know they'll watch and I like that the precedent has been set to a degree. Yes he's lightweight but that shouldn't factor against him. He's going at full pace - if you impede that, or push him off balance when you're out of position, it's a foul, and should be a pen.

Segway

flobaba Agree it was a pen all day long. Dowman was pushed with both hands. But you just know it wouldn't be given in the PL. "He needs to be stronger" Sky Sports would tell us...

Btw, Joelinton is one of the dirtiest players I've seen. Fuck him.

flobaba

Mirth Nwaneri's just figuring out the dynamics of playing and training at a high intensity week in, week out while being consistent and absorbing a catalogue of tactical instructions in between matches. It's generally a lot to take in and most players figure it out by 20-21 - whereas when he first broke through he just had to go out there and have 'fun'.

If we are giving him too much information we are doing it wrong. He looked more exciting and natural when he was out there having 'fun'. I'd much rather that than the current iteration, but we'll see how it goes, perhaps long term it all starts to fit in and slow down for him

Mirth

flobaba yeah, I agree it's wrong but everything I've seen or heard about Arteta's management style suggests that we give our players a shit ton of tactical info.

My main take away with Downman, MLS, Nwaneri etc is that Hale End is a reliable pipeline for us - we should expect 2-3 players in the squad going forward and hopefully an elite talent or two.

Doc

Kids got it. Need to find a way to get him in the team with Saka with next 2 seasons

Segway

Pretty hard not to get carried away by this young boy. The way he carries the ball at full speed is quite a sight. Reminds me of a young van Persie at Feyenoord but with more pace.

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