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Burnwinter

Arteta in his post match presser:

"… there is a kid here that has zero hesitation. He's so convinced that he can go at 15 and deliver that, which I have never witnessed in my life. And for us, it brings joy, it brings emotion and something else that makes our jobs so great."

You get the sense the senior group loves having this kid around, it's as if he reminds them of the pure enjoyment they've had to have beaten out of them. The more we see of him the better.

Kel Varnsen

This kid is on another level. His balance, touch and acceleration on the ball is bonkers.

RocktheCasbah

Kel Varnsen an Arsenal mate of mine is upset we haven't signed that Tyler Dibbling kid. I feel like Max Dowman is going to make him forget Dibbling exists very quickly indeed.

samthegooner

He’s got the innate and rare ability to be able to size up defenders while moving with the ball at pace and figure out when they are off balance or about to be off balance. I’m not doing it justice since I don’t really know how to describe it but I’ve only seen a few special players have it. His dribbling reminds me a lot of Hleb.

Burnwinter

samthegooner I’m not doing it justice since I don’t really know how to describe it but I’ve only seen a few special players have it.

It's high speed iterated rochambeau. You take the techniques, then you perform them perfectly at pace, using your head and upper body to disguise your intent while scanning continuously.

You can see how devastating it is for the morale of defenders who are being out-thought once or twice a second.

Dowman is already top at it, but he's about to face a season of regularly getting fifteen minutes or half an hour of running at left backs like Gabriel Gudmundsson, who will soon be watching tape of him and clattering him the way they used to go after Wilshere.

Qwiss

Klaus our defence is immense, we can afford to take risks in the final 3rd.

Klaus

Qwiss Exactly, that's why they're there. You can't give defenders exactly what they want because their only prerogative is to keep a clean sheet, it's a different mindset. They won't like it, but it's their lot in life to get a bit exposed every now and then. You just need players who are good enough to deal with it.

The invincibles had Gilberto screening them and I remember Vieira said that defence were still nagging the midfield about needing more protection, which they didn't of course; we went a whole season unbeaten. Campbell had to double as a sweeper at times because he was so fast, but he played for us in the first place because he was that good.

Meatwad

Klaus
i thought that was the old back 4 with tony adams and them that were nagging vieira and petit about more protection.

flobaba

Burnwinter season of regularly getting fifteen minutes or half an hour of running at left backs like Gabriel Gudmundsson, who will soon be watching tape of him and clattering him the way they used to go after Wilshere.

He’ll make mugs of them all. Fortunately he seems to be the English media’s darling, and the refs also have a soft spot for him (we are actually getting awarded penalties guys!!!)For now. Let’s see how long it lasts. But the more he adapts to the game at top level the bigger of a problem he becomes. You simply can’t tackle him in the box. And he carries very quickly into the box, so they have to learn how to stop/foul him before he gets in there.

Arteta and his set piece coaches need to start focusing on sending in free kicks from that right wing final third. We will be getting quite a lot of them going forward.

Klaus

Meatwad Yeah you might be right, it rings a bell somewhere.

Pepe LeFrits

Dowman promoted to England U19. I think this is interesting because it presumably means he'll miss the U17 world cup in November. Arsenal were apparently in discussions with the FA about which group to include him in, as staying with the U17 would have meant he'd be unavailable for us for a good chunk of November.

Big Willie

Pepe LeFrits Dowman promoted to England U19. I think this is interesting because it presumably means he'll miss the U17 world cup in November. Arsenal were apparently in discussions with the FA about which group to include him in, as staying with the U17 would have meant he'd be unavailable for us for a good chunk of November.

Don't think that really matters unless England have agreed that if he's called up for the u19s he won't be allowed to go back down a level. He could easily play for u19s then drop back down to u17s.

The only way I could see it matter is if he gets called up to an u19 squad in November at the same time the u17 WC is happening. I'd say hopefully that's the case but at the same time you kind of want him to be part of the WC squad because England have been winning loads of comps recently (aside from where it counts at senior level obviously) and having that experience and being the main man whilst it happens could be good for him.

Qwiss

Pepe LeFrits any idea how much of an obligation clubs have to let players go for these tournaments? I know you've basically no choice at senior level but at U17 I expect it might be different.

Pepe LeFrits

Qwiss up to the club as far as I know.

Klaus

Qwiss It's the same for both youth and senior level I think, I know I looked this up a few years ago. The rules don't stipulate senior national team only, they simply say any representative team of a national association. The only circumstance where you're not obligated to release them is when the competition or affiliation isn't recognised by Uefa or Fifa. In other words I think we'd have to release any youth player if they ask. The exception is things like the Catalan national team since Catalonia is not an actual country.

FEBravo

Talent is there but today he looked like a 15 year old. We have to be patient with him. He won’t save our season - hopefully it just makes him more focused and work harder to keep the hunger

Burnwinter

He finally looked his age, yes. He still gave Kerkez and Van Dijk a couple of hairy moments but for the first time a little lower confidence and overthinking were present, and once those crept in he was getting pocketed much more easily.

There's a decade of age and experience between Max and most of our first XI.

awooga83

Which is fine I think it's natural he probably isn't going to have the impact at this point probably better coming off the bench when we've opened up teams or playing in the cups.

MistaT

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