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Arteta - one more year and that’s it

RocktheCasbah

One thing about Arteta's focus on building out from the back first, now that we have added *some firepower ahead of it, our base is rock solid. Leeds created nothing after the 20th minute of the game and we but have the options which give us a - wait for it - massive attack. Even with the injuries.

I left the Emirates yesterday saying to Jo, obviously I know we're gonna concede goals, but it's just difficult to see how when you look at the spine of our side. They're was a moment in the first half when Leeds looked like they might break through the middle - and then Declan Rice just appeared like a Great White shark and gobbled their attack up.

We've needed a workable, pacy variation on Martinelli for a couple of years now. Madueke wasn't brilliant yesterday, but I thought he did enough to show he could be that.

To finish the game with Nwaneri, MLS and Dowman on the pitch was also something quite special, I think. Even if it also feels normalised now.

USArsenal

RocktheCasbah To finish the game with Nwaneri, MLS and Dowman on the pitch was also something quite special, I think. Even if it also feels normalised now.

I said this also. We had two 18 year olds and a 15 year old (all Hale End) on the pitch for the last 30 mins of the game. And we still scored another (thanks to Dowman's penno). And we will also have Saka and now Eze (both Hale End) in the team. All of which are great players. That's almost some La Masia level shit there.

Not to mention other players that no longer play for us but are still having decent careers (Iwobi, ESR, Balogun, Emi Martinez, Gnabry, Musah, Nketiah, even Sneezy). Thats pretty impressive.

daredevil

It would be typical of Arsenal to final address the LHS dynamics through Calafiori, Eze and Gyokeres - only for the RHS dynamics to break down through persistent injuries to Saka, Odegaard and White

TambourineMan

Hate that this is our footballing identity now. If we don't win something major this season - this shit ain't worth it.

He has to deliver something big if this is the approach we're taking.

TambourineMan

Dude is a coward who plays awful football.

To justify this style and approach, he has to win something.

GooneriC

I dont think we are winning anything with this approach. Its turgid , boring , no risk no reward football

Coombs

It's just not worth it with this guy.

Sicario2

The anti-Wenger and has no balls in these big away games.

Every loss will feel like 5 losses because he hasn’t won anything in 5 years.

Mirth

I think I’d rather watch 2D dots move around on football manager than Arteta’s football.

Big Willie

I was gonna say on the bright side Arteta's claim we are top over the past 3 seasons has just come true if we got a draw. Well just about, we'd have been joint top with City after their 2 losses and making up 4 points on them with our wins at United and draw at Anfield.

Sadly though, as usual, we're still second, a point behind with 253 points to City's 254.

awooga83

It's hard not to draw the conclusion that he just doesn't have it to cross that line to become a truly top coach.. His set up is Mourinho like but as even he found you have to win playing that way or nobody will tolerate it because the football is uninspiring and boring.

Xcdude24

awooga83 Mourinhos best Chelsea sides always had a cutting edge up front- they’ll dick around for 88 minutes then punish you. With us, we go for games on end without looking like we’ll score from open play (e.g., today)

Dom

awooga83

I despise Mourinho but he played some of the most effective and ruthless counter-attacking football ever. Arteta is closer to Moyes than Mourinho.

Gurgen

At least we didn’t lose 4-0 like we would have with Wenger

Coombs

I hate that the first half kind of worked. Arteta will see it as vindication.

Qwiss

Xcdude24 is that true? I don't recall them having very high goals for records.

daredevil

Xcdude24

That's the fundamental difference between Jose's away game approach and what we're missing. They had the killer touch up front, while we aren't taking advantage of the counters.

Speedster

Dom

We were lethal on the counter with auba up top under arteta. He signed his new contract and just went through the motions.
We shifted then to really attacking football after that. Every manager on commentary kept going on about how good we were in transitions. Nobody really wanted to play with us so they sat back. And we've been working on breaking those sit back sides down since. Which every team finds hard.

HomeSteak

We invested and improved all over but when it comes to the coach. No more, win or fuck off

Burnwinter

I feel at odds with the prevailing sentiment in here. The result is highly disappointing but the performance much less so. There's no powerful evidence Arteta's approach has failed. It was a match with few opportunities decided by a superb free kick. Perhaps the subs could have been better.

The difference between what we've been doing and a title-winning dynasty is in the margins. Seems to me there's a psychological aspect as well and that's where fans can play a part.

I believe Arsenal fans should gird their loins and recognise we've had a highly effective transfer window and we have an excellent squad and manager despite losing to Liverpool at Anfield.

Scapegoating the manager or particular players has reached an odious level. It's a buzzkill even if you're a fan and it likely affects the mood internally.

There's plenty of things about Arsenal that are more negative than Arteta's tactical outlook: most of the posts in this thread for starters.

Toys were chucked from the pram all summer over signings, then we got the signings we wanted so now it's the selection, the mentality, players who need to be put in the rubbish bin, etc. Gyökeres, who had the same sort of limited influence as Mo Salah and curtailed support, is now "mid-Championship level". The kind of doomed jobsworth mindset that's horrible at home and at work.

Toughen up buttercups, this is the one world we've got. If we say we're Arsenal fans then we know our positive task is to support the club's effort, not jack off to grievance porn on a daily basis.

CPM

Burnwinter Totally agree. People moan about Arteta's conservative football while forgetting that we are almost certainly the best defensive / off-the-ball team in Europe.

awooga83

Burnwinter one game doesn't decide things but Arteta has been consistently unable to land the big trophies over the past 3 seasons so I think it's totally reasonable to turn attention to him and assess what might be missing. Last season we had too many draws caused by all to often letting the game drift away and not taking the chance to risk attacking and win the game. Yes you can lose but the 1 point or 0 isn't what costs you the title as if you go for it you probably win a few more of those games and the points return is more beneficial.

I also think it's fair as a fan to be demanding and want the team to win and be critical of the aspects that may be a barrier to that not just be glorified cheerleaders.

Sicario2

Burnwinter mate when we haven’t won a trophy for 5 years there is going to be pressure and negativity. If you can’t take that then you are in the wrong game. Arteta will rightly get criticised for everything he does until he lands a big one, big summer window or not.

Don Pacifico

Burnwinter I get this but I think the thing I struggle with is that if we had a functioning attack, we would have beaten them. We had most of the control in the first half but very little threat and I think that's the frustration shared by others.

JazzG

Burnwinter Both teams set out to make sure they gave little to nothing away, I'd argue both sides put in a superb defensive performance and completely shit the other out. The plan then seemed to be around 70th minute mark bring on Odegaard and Eze and see if we could nick the game. In the end it took a freekick that they could take 1000 times and probably miss 999 times to settle the game.

It really isn't deeper than that, the mental gymnastics that is going on is laughable. This was like that game when Martinelli scored against Man City with the deflection, there was nothing in the game and it took a bit of luck to win it. That day it went for us and yesterday it went to Liverpool.

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