Arteta - one more year and that’s it: Page 54 - The Arsenal discussion forum and community: One More in the Tolly

Arteta - one more year and that’s it

awooga83

I think sometimes we over egg the defensive achievements. Making a team difficult to beat isn't that difficult if that's all you focus on you need to get organised and disciplined but with bodies behind the ball any team is going to struggle. So we've nailed that but inferior teams can also do that fairly well if they focus on it. The harder aspect is coaching an attacking team that really can threaten the opposition and I think requires more individual aspects which Arteta right now doesn't seem to allow in his team.

We also attack so slowly and I can't believe that isn't under instruction because if all we've seen is because the players aren't doing what he wants then it reflects very badly on him as a manager to get the team playing in the style he chooses. I think the more likely outcome is everything we are seeing is his personality.

We've invested a lot in being a tough team to beat but that isn't enough to win you titles in my view and after 6 years of Arteta I am more on the side that he just doesn't have it in him to change the attacking quality and style that we need.

Speedster

awooga83

We attacked super quick under arteta with Auba and it worked really well as he finished those chances. So we can't pretend he can't get a team doing quick counters it's not rocket science, it's the easiest thing to coach. We've not really had a killer counter player since him.

Against port vale we put the through ball in for Gyok about 8 times I can remember. I can't remember him working the keeper. It was pretty ineffective. I'm not putting that on Gyok I'm just staying it's not true we're not mixing it up and attacking quickly. If peak Auba out 2 of those chances away you'd be praising arteta for being elite at counters.

est

Speedster No manager has an easy solution to a low block just the elite players who can play in super tight spaces make the difference people like Saka or Salahs.

Going by this, it would be advisable to take advantage of the times the opponents are out of their low block, no? Why do we insist on not attacking with any purpose when the counters present themselves? Instead of committing bodies forward and catching out teams while they have 4 players back, our players turn back and play it into the defenders and start the slow build-up cycle only to end up with corners and throw-ins as our main way of breaking them down. So frustrating.

It's evident that Arteta's priorities are so risk-averse that it has an effect on the attacking freedom of the players. Wenger's balance was tilted too much forward, Arteta's is too much backwards. Although I think one could argue that given the investment in the squad and the players we have available today, Wenger's approach could work better than it did in his final stretch.

Speedster

est

This is the manger who allows califori for crash the box all game, Declan Rice to crash the box all game. And left partey alone in midfield with his old legs to cover. So we know they have that freedom to burst forward.

When you see arteta on the side when we're off the ball he's screaming at people to get in position and if we're on the ball he's screaming at people to get forward. Ode is his voice on the pitch and how often can you remember ode screaming and waving frantically for us to get up the pitch. Now compact those memories to those you have of ode screaming everyone back.

Burnwinter

Speedster Yep ultimately the football we play has been setting the tone for the other clubs in the leagues and that's because as many coaches have stated, they struggle against us.

I'm relaxed about the game changing as it's not like the rules have changed. It is what it is. A modern attention to defence was never to be had from Wenger, and we all hated that for the decade it demoralised the club.

At least in Eze and Madueke we've signed two more players like Saka who have the ability to beat an elite defender and shake things up, and seem to have discovered two more on top in Nwaneri and Dowman. Now we need to get two of them on the pitch for more than fifteen minutes, which is why everyone's bashing Arteta.

Tam

Speedster When teams just defend it's incredibly hard to break them down. Jose did it to peak Barca the best team in history(or at least top 3). We did it to city when they were at their peak we just sat super deep they created hardly and we knocked it Auba. They weren't creatively flat at that point. They were just against a low block and their was no space.

Are Port Vale up there with Jose Mourinho's defensive masterclasses?

There's a difference between Arteta's team doing it to City, and Jose's to Barca, and what we're faced with each and every other week. We're not playing top defensive teams week after week and it makes no difference.

The issue isn't that we're facing teams with a good defensive set up, it's that we appear to have lost all sense of attacking cohesion and understanding that leads to creativity within the team.

Speedster

Tam

Port vale done our defensive system not the Jose one .

Maybe we have forgot how to attack or maybe havertz Saka and ode have been injured and when teams know that they just think we can clog up the game. And the new guys aren't gonna play perfectly fluid attacking until they settle.

Tam serious question if we're crap at attacking why didn't city and Liverpool just go attack us? They both set up defensive from the start. That's not what you do against a team that can't attack.

Qwiss

Speedster This is the manger who allows califori for crash the box all game, Declan Rice to crash the box all game. And left partey alone in midfield with his old legs to cover. So we know they have that freedom to burst forward.

Rice doesn't crash the box much at all.

Any way this Calafiori thing, I think its causing problems with Arteta afraid to allow his midfield to advance because of it. I'd rather we played with an attacking swash buckling midfielder than someone like that at left back. If Arteta doesn't have the confidence to allow Cala do it without holding back his midfield than he needs to reign the Itialian stallion in a bit more.

awooga83

Speedster I would argue he actively didn't want to play that way because he moved Auba on and didn't focus on those aspects of play since he's imposed his playing style. Wet constantly hesitate going forwards never attack the space, wait for the team to organise.

Gurgen

Last night the players also weren't really bothered.

Speedster

awooga83

He moved Auba on when Auba couldn't be arsed. He fought to keep Auba and get him that monster contract. He's been begging for a new striker. And pushed for noni who runs in behind all the time.

Don Pacifico

We transitioned well in 22/23 (ie. post Auba) but for whatever reason haven't yet been able to replicate that approach. So I believe Arteta can coach an attack but he's either choosing not to or failing to execute so far this season.

Speedster

Don Pacifico

Or other teams are . . . playing differently against us.

It's not only us that has got better at nullifying the opposition.

est

Don Pacifico I think it changed after we dominated at Old Trafford and he made 2-3 offensive subs to go and finish them off and we ended up losing the game.

Don Pacifico

Speedster likely a little from column A, a little from column B.

Speedster

Qwiss

We haven't seen the settled tactics for this season. But all last season rice was clearly given licence to get forward as xhaka was before him.

Coombs

Speedster it wasn't so much license as being forced to play with his back to goal.

tazmania

He made a comment about sacrificing offense for defensive stability around that time too or after. It's a clear tactical change.

Last year set pieces covered up a lot. We haven't been as lucky now

banduan

tazmania yup, that and the loss to Citeh that ended our season were the beginnings of controlball. I don't view Controlball as relentlessly negative though. When it works in offense it is awesome to behold, like the 2nd half v Citeh last week. They decided to be negative so we said ok then we're going to pound you and smother you.

Then we levelled and then it's back to the usual business.

Gurgen

I think he wants us to be really flexible but he underestimates how difficult it is to shift mentality at the drop of a hat. The reality is that no football team in history has been able to play 5 different ways well. We're not going to be the ones to change that.

« Previous Page Next Page »