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Nasri

y va marquer

YounGunner wrote:
He hasnt improved one bit. He went through a little purple patch where alot of his goals were pens and only had one great game against Fulham.

He can fuck off. Completely bottled it. No creativity, no penetration, no intelligence. Hes a glorified denilson.

No he's not.
He was good enough to be nominated for player of the year and until his injury in February he would have merited the award.

It's true that he has been a shadow of that player of late but I would not consign him to the Denilson scrap heap and I definitely would not want to see him move to United.

Rex

Is being called a "glorified Denilson" as bad as being called an Almunia? Just curious...

YounGunner

Humble Rex wrote:
Lot´s of shit being spouted here I must say!

Gus, if you think about it Nasri really isn´t all that good playing in the role that Cesc has. If you follow him when he plays/has played there you will see that there are plenty of situations where he just doesn´t see that a great pass is on. His vision is nowhere near the level of someone like Cesc or Jack. The other thing about Nasri when playing in the hole is that he tends to hold on to the ball in a manner that makes Diaby look like someone who releses the ball quickly.

The only thing really with Nasri is that he needs to be told, and deployed, to play to his strengths. He needs to make plenty of runs behind the back 4 - use his pace, he needs to be direct and take people on - using his close control, and he needs to be more selfish and finish when in good goalscoring positions - using his shooting ability.

I agree

As for Wenger he has taken this team too deep in shit that he'll never be able to recover from. Theres a disease in the team that makes us fail in the last hurdle no matter how great the players are. It happened in 1999, 2003, 2008, 2010 and now this season. Its a recurring theme and only one man can blamed. I dont know what he does on the training field or dressing room but it keeps on happening.

YounGunner

y va marquer wrote:
YounGunner wrote:
He hasnt improved one bit. He went through a little purple patch where alot of his goals were pens and only had one great game against Fulham.

He can fuck off. Completely bottled it. No creativity, no penetration, no intelligence. Hes a glorified denilson.

No he's not.
He was good enough to be nominated for player of the year and until his injury in February he would have merited the award.

It's true that he has been a shadow of that player of late but I would not consign him to the Denilson scrap heap and I definitely would not want to see him move to United.

Player of the year is a joke competition anyway. Doesnt reflect the season at all. Bale won it and Nani wasnt even nominated. I could name 3/4 players who've been better this season within our squad alone.

He had 3 good months and a handful of great games and thats being kind to Nasri. He completely fell apart and returned to his unambitious and cowardly style of play when we really needed him to step it up a gear.

Like Humble Rex said he has the attributes to become a force but hes not doing enough for the team.

y va marquer

Humble Rex wrote:
Is being called a "glorified Denilson" as bad as being called an Almunia? Just curious...

Being compared in any way to either of them is like the kiss of death.

y va marquer

YounGunner

I don't deny that the player of the year award is a bit of a farce but it does indicate that Nasri's performances prior to his injury were good enough to merit the attention they attracted.
You dismiss them lightly and diminish them now because he has not played well recently.
You take this dip in form as proof that he is a glorified Denilson - I don't.

I am concerned as to the reasons why he has been poor of late but I don't attribute his dip to cowardice or a lack of ambition.

You rate him so lowly I take it you'll not be all that bothered if he signs for United?

Gazza M

everyone has been well below par since the CC final, so it's unfair to single out Nasri.

having said that, I was never one to go overboard with the Nasri praise this season. He was good but never looked capable of carrying us when the chips were down, which is the mark of a truly great player. Same goes for Djorou, who I'm still unconvinced is first team material.

I think it's symptomcatic of a larger problem, that is, that most successful teams have at least 2-3 of their big players fit and firing at the end of the season. Rooney was nowhere at the beginning of the season for United, Nani was carrying them, now Rooney's come to fore again. Not one player has had durable enough form to sustain us for the run-in.

YounGunner

y va marquer wrote:
YounGunner

I don't deny that the player of the year award is a bit of a farce but it does indicate that Nasri's performances prior to his injury were good enough to merit the attention they attracted.
You dismiss them lightly and diminish them now because he has not played well recently.
You take this dip in form as proof that he is a glorified Denilson - I don't.

I am concerned as to the reasons why he has been poor of late but I don't attribute his dip to cowardice or a lack of ambition.

You rate him so lowly I take it you'll not be all that bothered if he signs for United?

He played well no doubt about it but hes suppose to be one of our elite players. The great players step it up a gear when the finishing line is in sight. No point doing well in the first three months of the season and completely go in hiding once the trophies are in sight. All his good work was undone.

What did he do in the Carling cup final? I dont even remember him playing.

The reason i'm mad at him is because on paper hes suppose to be one of our elite players not a youngster who's adapting to his first premier league season. We needed him when the going got tough but he produced nothing.

Those two missed chances were unacceptable. Like Kel said as bad as what Eboue did against Liverpool.

y va marquer

YounGunner
As far as I'm concerned Cesc and RVP are the only two players that we have who are worthy of the "elite" tag.
Nasri I thought had the potential to become so based on his good run of form but you're right he has not come through the season consistenly - then again who has?

For me in terms of consistency van Persie and Wilshere have been best but even Jack is showing signs of weariness of late.

Van Persie injuries aside and bar a couple of so so games has been invaluable.
He really is brilliant.

Gazza M

id agree with that. rvp is he one true big game player we have

Clrnc

Arshavin?

Still can't believe how badly Nasri faded. Maybe he just isn't interested in us and wants to leave this summer hence the re-contract hasn't been signed

Gazza M

used to think that, but he's largely unreliable. rvp has done business in crunch games since 2008. ill never forget his double at stamford bridge a few years ago

GunnerFever

i think with nasri, he is trying but he also knows in the back of his head that no matter how good he plays he will still be surrounded by some crap players who will hold him back from winning anything here, and guessing if fabregas does leave next summer, will wenger make the adequate changes to this squad to change us into definite title contenders also remains unanswered, i think he will seek some assurances from the manager before signing on.

Captain

Yeah, being surrounded by crap players make you risk averse and miss clear cut chances. 😆

At some point Nasri stopped doing what made him such an effective player when he was on his scoring run. I couldn't say if it was instruction or just a return to type but he stopped running in behind and threatening off of the ball. Maybe it was his stint back in central midfield or maybe the period when Walcott was performing that role (and as such taking up his positions) but right now he is just another first choice player who couldn't maintain his form for a decent amount of the season.

GunnerFever

Captain wrote:
Yeah, being surrounded by crap players make you risk averse and miss clear cut chances. 😆

At some point Nasri stopped doing what made him such an effective player when he was on his scoring run. I couldn't say if it was instruction or just a return to type but he stopped running in behind and threatening off of the ball. Maybe it was his stint back in central midfield or maybe the period when Walcott was performing that role (and as such taking up his positions) but right now he is just another first choice player who couldn't maintain his form for a decent amount of the season.

im not defending nasri for missing those sitters, i felt he did quite ok to get behind those chances, although he missed to score from them.

Timbob

Didn't hear a peep of any of this bollox between August and Febuary. It's pretty obvious that some of you are just lashing out at him because he had the best chance to win yesterday's game. Only last week he scored a cracking goal in the NLD.

He's an excelent young player and was the best in the league over the first 5 months of the season. Form comes and goes, that's just football folks.

Pepe LeFrits

Tim wrote:
He's an excelent young player and was the best in the league over the first 5 months of the season. Form comes and goes, that's just football folks.

I agree. As usual in our case we end up attacking him for not keeping up his form when in truth it's very rare for a player his age to do so. We just don't have enough quality in the squad to smooth over dips in form. Samir's a quality player. He may not be Pires, at least not yet, but even as good as Bobby was, it wasn't until after his 30th birthday that he managed 15 goals for us.

Captain

He has played over 200 senior games, almost as many as Messi and Fabregas. He is young in age, but it isn't an excuse given his level of experience.

Biggus

Agree with Tim and Peps, I'm bemused by the recent attacks on Nasri who all in all has had a good season.
Then theres Klauses Chamakh, he was great at the start of the season too when Saint Robin of the crutch was injured and he had to lead the line single-handedly.
Wenger decided he was tired and the player has only featured sporadically so it's no wonder he's had difficulty recapturing that form.
Speaking of Saint Robin- He's the one player that seems strangely immune from our sound and fury.

Timbob

As you mature as a person you mature as a player.

I dont see why anyone would expect Nasri to stop improving after the way he's come on this season.

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