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Summer 2025 Transfer Window

flobaba

And we know they haven't spoken to, or been speaking with Gyokeres?

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/viktor-gyokeres-liverpool-transfer-latest-31754578

So he's linked with other clubs then. I don't trawl for transfer news so that was just a quick Google. So Jazz you're just making it up when you say no other top clubs are interested huh?

Mirth

flobaba the Liverpool echo is garbage tier.

Gyokeres has been linked with Juventus, United and us this window.

banduan

was saying in another thread, the choice between Sesko or Gyokeres depends on how much we trust Kai. Given that he's apparently evolved to be some beast (have yet to really see evidence), we'll probably go for Sesko as that project player.

That said, if it's a project, wish we'd gone for Ekitike.

tazmania

banduan kai is 26. It's not like he's going anywhere soon

Burnwinter

Don Pacifico okay but what counts as underwhelming? Some people seem to think our starting striker needs to score 30 goals a season or he's a failure.

Sure. I want a player who feels like he's failed if he scores fewer than 20. Doesn't have to be Salah, Haaland or Kane numbers but I can't see why we'd be over-impressed with 15 goals.

We're an extremely dominant side. The chances will be there for the right talent. I worry about signing a kid then hearing next summer about how he's still adapting.

Pepe LeFrits

Burnwinter I worry about signing a kid then hearing next summer about how he's still adapting.

Understandable but I worry just as much about signing a 27 year old with no experience of a top league and then hearing next summer about how he's struggling while another young striker has popped off and has moved into the only affordable by Real/PSG/City bracket. People are talking about Gyokeres being a sure thing but there's no such thing in football, at least when signing a player from a second tier league. Three years ago Nunez was the consensus choice on here; Isak was the 'project' who turned out to be the best striker signing by miles. There's a huge degree of uncertainty to these decisions.

Don Pacifico

Burnwinter I mean, 15 goals would be 12 more than our second choice striker got in the league last season (crude comparison, I know...bear with me).

And yes, I want an upgrade on Havertz at CF but simply having another viable option at CF will make a pretty big difference to how we fare in the short term. It'll ensure we don't knacker Kai and afford him more flexibility in the role he plays in our squad, which in itself is a bit of a multiplier (eg. we could play with two strikers in some games or drop Havertz into midfield). In a situation where we've started Havertz and it's not working, having someone on the bench who provides another option (one with skills Havertz doesn't have)...well, we didn't have that last season for the most part. Buying Sesko gives us more options in the short-term (which should significantly improve the output of the team) and has the potential to be a monster in the longer term.

My point is, I think there's substantial scope for him to improve the outlay of our team without hitting 20 plus. If Sesko never achieved those kind of numbers for us, I'd be disappointed but I do think this signing isn't just about his individual contribution, it's also about what he adds to the team.

Glass half full take for ya.

banduan

tazmania yeah, but if you trust him then you don't worry about getting that 20 goal a season striker now. If you don't, then Gyokeres sounds about the only feasible option.

Bernard Woolley

I know RM tried to sign Kai when we signed him. I wonder if they would consider him as a focal point of an attack with Mbappe, Vini and Bellingham as goalscorers around him. He would possibly thrive in that environment.

Burnwinter

Pepe LeFrits Understandable but I worry just as much about signing a 27 year old with no experience of a top league and then hearing next summer about how he's struggling

Yes. But going by the ELO-adjusted* modelling I've seen, Gyökeres would be predicted to score 22–23 goals in the league if he stays fit (0.59 goals per 90 was the number). There is no sure thing, that's why one says "predicted". It's not about the squad value of Sesko versus Gyöko over five or ten years for me. A major trophy in the next couple of seasons would likely have big lateral benefits: player and staff retention, sponsorships, prize money, take best advantage of the peak football years of our generally excellent squad, etc.

* Obviously this will be bullshit, but on the other hand, "we applied a factor to account for the fact Portugal isn't England" isn't total bullshit

lorddulaarsenal

Exactly. I think what’s important is you go for the profile of player you want. I would imagine Arteta is drawn to Sesko’s immense physical power. That’s something we really lack in the attacking third.

It’s why I want Barcola on the left. If we can’t get him go for Williams, Gittens or Semenyo

Klaus

USArsenal Spending 70-80 million on a big, strong, technically proficient striker hardly signals an 'unserious' move.

Spending 80 million on a kid who scored 13 goals in Bundesliga is an unserious move when you don't have a single player who hit double digits in the league last season. The rest is just conjecture. There isn't another top club where this would be acceptable. He might be great in the future; he's unlikely to be great next season. Arsenal are always willing to trade next season for a potential future and it's precisely why this club doesn't win trophies.

Speedster

Klaus

PSG and Liverpool both focus on project players. This season hasn't ended badly for them.

I don't think anyone is ruling out Gyökeres as an option. But he's a player tons of teams will be looking at so if he's all we chase we could end up with a lot of egg on our faces.

Gazza M

Mirth

Speedster PSG and Liverpool both focus on project players. This season hasn't ended badly for them.

Generally ambivalent on who we go for but the distinction is that Liverpool are also prepared to go big for established talent like van Djik, Alisson or maybe even Wirtz to support their project players.

We can have a project player at either LW or ST but they have to be supported by someone more established. Or, in other words, if we sign Sesko and Gittens, we're effectively writing off next season.

Qwiss

If they buy Sesko and it doesn't work out the fallouts going to be seismic.

Speedster

Qwiss

From the childish fans definitely. But there's not enough top strikers. City need another, we need at least one, manU need 2, Liverpool need 1 maybe 2.

ManU signed the ones that were available last year and they flopped. Nunez flopped at Liverpool. All we can do is sign the best available option to us. And work to improve him. He looks like he's got a lot to work on. Hopefully theirs enough adults in the stadium to support his growth.

Kel Varnsen

I'd rather spend big on Zubimendi and a winger, and try to get someone like Sørloth in, than spend huge money on Sesko.

Speedster

Kel Varnsen

I think we've tried that before theirs been strong links to big wing prospects. But with Jesus finished, and Obi jumping ship I think we need a someone who's primarily a striker.

The pickings are limited. But we've to for it now. And signing a 29 year old could be a mega car crash.

I guess the hope with sesko is that even if he's not top drawer we can probably still recoup a decent fee a la Nunez, balagon, Eddie

Speedster

Mirth

Maybe but we added Rice at 100m to try get us over the line. Partey was a huge fee to at the time. Havertz was a huge fee. And mudrk was a huge fee thankfully we don't get that over the line.

Marty, Saka, Ode, trossard and havertz are all super established.

I do get what you're saying but it's not like we're adding 17 year olds to a team of 19 year olds.

In retrospect nobody is wishing we past on saliba for another Sokratis. Despite the fact we had a cluster of shit CBs at the time.

lorddulaarsenal

Declan Rice, Partey, Timber and Calafiori weren’t project players

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