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Martin Zubimendi

Qwiss

If Ballague says that then Real have fuck all hope. He's been a mouth piece for the big Spanish clubs to tap up our players for decades.

awooga83

Qwiss again that's fair but rice still wasn't enough for a title. I just feel the forwards are the big area. If we do this deal and fall short in forwards I don't think we would be in a different place really from last season. Whereas the other way around I think we could get a forward without Zubimendi and potentially win a title. But that's just my view on what I think is lacking and the priority.

Qwiss

awooga83 oh yeah we absolutely need to add a couple of players to the front line this summer and at least one has to be a difference maker who's ready to go at the start of next season.

Mirth

awooga83 you forget who our manager is. We definitely need a striker - that’s given - but Arteta’s also obsessed with his control ball and will limit the number of players we commit forward unless he’s confident we won’t lose control of the game. Not only do we need a striker but we also need to actively commit more attackers into the box

I honestly think the template to look at is the Rice-Jorginho pivot in 23/24 as the model we’ll try to emulate

lorddulaarsenal

Qwiss Madrid added Mbappe and got worse. It’s not always about players making the difference

JazzG

awooga83 A problem we have is our control of games isn't as strong as it needs to be, he'll definitely help in that aspect. Also we don't get the ball up the pitch quick enough, take too long with it whereas with Zubimendi he will definitely look to get it moving through the lines quicker. Moving it quicker is key for us as we take way too long getting the ball high up the pitch.

He's not aesthetically pleasing or easy on the eye like Partey but his decision making is better and quicker. Also look at the tweet below, he is seen as defensively reliable which Partey has got a bit ropey with as his legs are going. He isn't a pure 6 like some may think, more a hybrid 6/8. Think he'd work well in a double pivot with Rice.

Qwiss

lorddulaarsenal It’s not always about players making the difference

It definitely is.

Burnwinter

lorddulaarsenal Madrid added Mbappe and got worse. It’s not always about players making the difference

Old bean I'd see your point here if we had been looking to bring in Salah (Madrid signed Mbappé where they already had Vinicius Junior …)

Next season has to be about space. If signing Zubimendi allows Ødegaard's average position to move 5–10 yards north, and a new elite attacking threat allows opposition defences to be dragged 10 yards further apart east-west on average, then one way or another Arsenal will score 10–20 goals more over the league season.

Gazza M

JazzG

Gazza M When Rodri went off everyone thought this was the chance and England could get on top of the game, if anything Spain played even better in the 2nd half. Zubimendi was so good that game, they did not miss Rodri at all.

Mirth I honestly think the template to look at is the Rice-Jorginho pivot in 23/24 as the model we’ll try to emulate

Probably the best we have ever looked under Arteta. Dominate in attack and snuffed everything out defensively as well.

daredevil

This guy has performed at the highest level and he's the best replacement we could have signed for Partey. We need to make another two signings of his level for the attack and we can start cooking.

Claudius

Qwiss Definitely isn't. Good players, good coaching. Health. We can improve in all 3 but I think health is still our single biggest lever. It's not just about player availability but also about their ability to create automatisms

Qwiss

Claudius so players don't make a difference?

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

More good players = health crises being a non-factor.

Claudius

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert clearly it helps to have more strong players who can rotate. but the core of this squad when healthy reeled out 49 of 57 points to close out the season just 12-18 months ago. the big difference for me is that they have been injured and/or unfit since. adding more strong players will give the team more resilience, but i really believe we have an exceptionally strong core. just needs a bit more resilience.

RowJimmy

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert
There is no amount of good players on any team - including PSG and CIty - that would have overcome our injury record last year.

Qwiss

Claudius At some point you have to accept that injuries are part of a normal season. We had a few more than usual this season but even before the injury crisis we weren't on top and weren't playing like a team that was set to catch Liverpool. The way people talk you'd think we were out ahead and got caught because of the injuries.

Burnwinter

Claudius adding more strong players will give the team more resilience, but i really believe we have an exceptionally strong core.

We have a fairly fit and robust core. Saka, Timber and Ødegaard are our current big worries as far as injury and level. Getting Partey out of the road should be a massive risk mitigation. White and Havertz may not be guaranteed first choice, both are also a risk but a lesser risk. Then there are our perma-crocks such as Tomiyasu and Jesus.

Where we might end up in last season's horrible territory would be if Zubimendi did his ACL training over-zealously in preseason. We do need to let the man adapt to England a bit.

samthegooner

After watching Zubimendi for the entire game against Portugal, in addition to the England final, I have a hard time with anyone saying that we are going to miss Partey. Zubimendi was everywhere and was in complete control the entire time. He was also far more adventurous than he looks in Sociedad, which should be instructive in how we view his statistics in the league and how it can misrepresent the player. I think we should also take that to heart with Sesko since it seems like he was definitely mis-used a bit this year for Leipzig as more of a supporting winger/secondary striker rather than leading the line.

I am beyond excited to add Zubimendi. The fact that every big club (Madrid, Liverpool, City) wanted him and every manager he's played under has given him his flowers is a clear indication to me that he is world class.

daredevil

samthegooner

He was the best midfielder in a match which had all three of the starting PSG midfield competing in the middle of the pitch.

I'm also starting to agree on Sesko. He's been playing as a second striker in a team which was 17th (apparently) in terms of creating chances, yet he still scored 20+ goals in all competitions and outscored Openda who leads the line.

MistaT

samthegooner - but he's not black, and thus can't be a DM.

Qwiss

daredevil He's been playing as a second striker in a team which was 17th (apparently) in terms of creating chances

My worry there is that he's part of that problem. I hope he's not because its looking more and more likely we'll sign him. That said if Merino and Havertz can bang them in as a striker for us than any real striker should have no issue.

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