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samthegooner

GooneriC He's 22 and has 10 g from 8.2 xG. I'd hardly say he's someone who's missing too many chances but admittedly I am not watching full PSG games, other than Champions League. I'd be curious who you would be looking at for a LW that fits those requirements because there really aren't a lot of available ones out there that are world class finishers (and that aren't already at Madrid). Everyone loves Rafael Leao but he has 3 goals this year from 4.5 xG. I love Kvara but he isn't exactly the most prolific either with 4 goals from 3.5 xG (pens excluded from both). My favorite for last summer, Nico Williams, has a whopping 1 goal from 2.4 xG. It's just really hard to find available LWs that score in bunches at the moment, which is what I think we need if we are going to persist with Havertz up top for now. Bringing in a more output oriented striker like Isak or Gyokeres might alleviate the need for end product from the left wing though.

Qwiss

samthegooner this is why a striker should be our top priority ahead of a winger. Martinellis numbers aren't that bad. Trossards forms bottomed out but he has goals in him. We have less quality and depth up front than on the wings IMO.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

One signing won't do much. It's systematic. We need a CF, LWF and CM/DM to make this shit work and start winning the big trophies.

Claudius

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert we need one good signing for now. Next year we need to move Partey and Jorginho on, but Partey has been our best CM this year, so we need to handle that change with real care

Qwiss

Claudius this is the problem with waiting to solve issues. When you leave one, and IMO we left a Partey replacement and a forward last summer, then it all comes to ahead and you end up with way too much to do. If we'd solved either of those issues last summer then we'd be far better off this season and going into the summer. Now its January and we are in panic buy mode.

RowJimmy

Barcola strikes me as an interesting profile for us. I'd have a long talk with Nico Williams's agent first, but if we're not getting Nico in the summer Barcola now makes sense to me.

Claudius

RowJimmy I keep seeing this Barcola talk. PSG have an Mbappe-lite replacement that they paid €45m. Why are they selling him?

DiabyKungFu

Claudius I keep seeing this Barcola talk. PSG have an Mbappe-lite replacement that they paid €45m. Why are they selling him?

I don't know, but I also don't know why they're benching him. Maybe they're just dumb. We should test that hypothesis just to see.

MistaT

Qwiss -- what's your vision of Havertz's role if we sign a new striker?

Claudius

Qwiss I think part of the issue is we have really been active each summer, turning over the squad from the Covid team. 2023 summer we got Havertz, Rice, Timber, Raya. They are 4 of our 8 most played players.

It’s a ton of change. And a lot of work for the recruiting team. We need the other forward. Summer let’s deal with maintenance

CPM

We need creativity (both on the ball and with movement against tightly packed defenses) more than goal output, particularly on the left wing IMO. Our finishing is fine, we’re just too ‘system dependent’ when it comes to creating chances, besides Saka.

lorddulaarsenal

I like Vlahovic. Bulldozing style with a hunger for goals

Qwiss

MistaT rotation stiker and left 8. Loads of football for him

Burnwinter

Claudius Not last summer but the one before.

Coombs

Claudius And a lot of work for the recruiting team.

I mean, is it really?

Claudius

Coombs yeah. Recruiting is a shit load of work. The people who do it right end up at the top of the league (city, pool, arsenal). Those that don’t, end up miserable (United).

Coombs

Claudius seems to me it's more like sending an email, being told no, and giving up.

Don Pacifico

Qwiss that was the original plan, right? As much as Havertz has proved his worth, I don't think he's ever going to be enough at CF and I don't think we've seen enough of Havertz to say he can't own the left 8 role.

Claudius

Don Pacifico Havertz is fine. What we need is another Saka out left, and then Havertz will be maximised. If we find a scoring left winger we are set. If we find a striker, I think we will find that we probably still need to deal with left wing anyway

Qwiss

Don Pacifico he's a good squad player but he's not good enough in any position to be a first XI player if we want to consistently win things. He's a very solid player but there is little to no magic there. I think we have a squad with too many players like that but when its your centre forward it really shows.

Don Pacifico

Claudius for sure, I don't think it's a case of either/or, we should definitely get both of we want to be elite.

Qwiss

Claudius why is a scoring winger more important than a scoring centre forward?

Claudius

Don Pacifico difference is I think we can be the best team in Europe with Havertz starting. Don’t think we can do it with Martinelli starting

Don Pacifico

Claudius I agree with your prioritisation but not sure I quite have the confidence to believe it would make us the best team in Europe!

Also very much depends on who we bring in; I know I'm a broken record but I really don't want another 'system' player as I think we need more options for when that system breaks down. Don't think I'll get my wish though.

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