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Claudius

Qwiss I’m sure they do. In a low-scoring sport, a guy who sticks a ball in the net every game like Mbappe, Kane, Lewa, Haaland is the ultimate prize.

Qwiss

Claudius and yet we sign forwards like Jesus, Havertz, etc

Claudius

Qwiss tbf, the guys I mentioned I few and far between. Maybe we sign Kane from Spurs? Or Mbappe over Real Madrid? Lewa instead of Barca.

daredevil

Qwiss

There's absolutely no reason why they wouldn't. From the strikers that Claudius listed, could we have signed any of them? The answer is an obvious no. There's not a whole host of strikers around in the world at the moment.

I'd take Duran, Openda and Isak, but we're talking about one guy who doesn't start for a PL side, another who is 1-in-2 in Germany and another who has a slightly better injury record than Jesus.

Clrnc

Guirassy moved last summer too.

100% Gyokeres would have moved for the right price.

Money would have gotten you Osimhen too

Claudius

Clrnc Osimhen’s best link was a £120m release clause and £500,000/week move to Chelsea. His crazy demands led him to a Turkish loan

Clrnc

Claudius And yet he is on loan to Turkey for just 6m per year, taking a pay cut from his 10m salary at Napoli.

daredevil

Clrnc

That's because Conte said he'd banish him to the reserves after the Chelsea deal fell through and Galatasaray only got him because the Turkish window was still open after the main European windows shut.

Claudius

daredevil exactly. That Chelsea and Saudi saga lasted the entire summer window at prices far beyond our imagination. Imagine if wasteful Arteta/Edu committed over £250m in salary and wages to a single player to beat Chelsea/ Saudi to the deal

Clrnc

Claudius There are no serious links to us anyway, the real miss is Gyokeres.

daredevil

Clrnc

I would take Gyokeres, but it's a testament to how poor the market is that we're talking about a player who was playing Championship football at 23. Guirassy by 25 had scored 20 goals in 80 games in.....France. Marmoush by 23 had scored 7 in 21 in Bundesliga.2 and then 3 in 21 in the Bundesliga in the following season.

This is the pedigree and track record of strikers that people are talking about.

Clrnc

daredevil Nonsense. Who cares about what is their history? As long as they are good players that can help us.

People praise our signings to the moon, you can easily also say Merino flopped at Dortmund, Newcastle and is still playing at Sociedad at 28. Calafiori was playing for Basel less than 2 years ago in Swiss League. Sterling is absolutely washed up. Raya was playing for Brentford and Blackburn not too long ago. Kiwior was playing for some no mark italian club whom we signed him from. Who cares? This is the pedigree of signings that people are talking about? Nobody uses that to beat the players we sign up, because they will help us now.

People are just making things up to justify us prioritising everywhere else but attack. It's not even just strikers, we are talking about our attack. We should have signed an attacker far better than Sterling. If need be, we should loan a defender as a cover. Not the other way round

daredevil

Clrnc

You completely missed the point and you're also arguing a strawman. I'm only talking about strikers and I already said I would take Gyokeres despite the history. The point is that we're in the middle of the worst striker era in living memory.

So when people criticise the club for not signing a striker, they are completely ignorant of the pool of strikers that exists. I'm not criticising those players or saying they won't be successful, I'm pointing out that they are far from being strikers with proven track records and that's the pool of strikers we're looking at.

QuincyAbeyie

Why is it a testament to how poor the market is that these strikers didn't do well when they were younger? Not sure what the relevance is.

Clrnc

QuincyAbeyie It's really a terrible argument. Harry Kane was barely scoring any goals at the age of 23 on loan to some no mark championship club for 4 years in a row. Strikers peak differently and when they come good, people sign them.

Qwiss

QuincyAbeyie Wenger tried to sign Vardy, he was playing Conference football at 23. He was a brilliant PL striker and now at 37 has scored as many as our top scorer this season. Development isn't the same for everyone.

daredevil

Clrnc

Fake news - Harry Kane was 6th in the rankings for highest goals scored in the PL by a player aged 23.

Clrnc

daredevil some of the players we signed is also far from having proven track records. Why were they judged differently?

Why is it that when we sign defenders goalies midfielders they are immune to such crucification? Case in point the goalie pool is also horrendously bad these days, didn't stop us from splashing big twice within 2 years.

Claudius

It’s says a lot that in an environment where players are harbouring immature talent like Hojlund and Zirkzee, that these guys were all still wondering around 2nd tier teams and leagues into their mid 20s. It doesn’t take away from their future prospects, but it does show their trajectory relative to other big name talents. @daredevil is just pointing this out.

daredevil

Clrnc

What are you talking about? They aren't judged differently.

Ramsdale, Raya, White, Zinchenko, Jesus, Jorginho, Sterling, Havertz....they all had their critics from the first moment we were linked with them.

Claudius

daredevil Rice, Merino, Odegaard. All arrived to criticism.

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