RocktheCasbah I think we all agree he has done a good job, just that I for one, as I cannot speak for others...don't see him as this genius like you lot do. Is it good? Yes, is it impressive? Maybe? Don't know, let's not act like he has not spent 800 mil and some of the highest wages in the league to do it. Sometimes reading stuff online about Arteta you would think he is managing Wolves or something. It's not that he took us over and just worked at it with what he had, no. He outspent all bar Chelsea to do it, and yeah, good job as you can see with Chelsea and United, there are others that can fuck it up, and he did not.
And this place is ok, no doubt, but go on reddit for example, you would think he is god, he does no wrong, Wenger was not as loved as Arteta is, for some reason, that I will never understand. Before the season started there was a conversation about who is better, who would you have Pep or Arteta, and you couldn't even suggest pep was the better manager...
I don't think I'm negative or unreasonable to say that come may 2026 he needs to have won the league or the CL or he needs to get fired. Keep in mind that by the end of that season he will be over 6 years and 1 billion in.
Good manager, but let's not act like there are not a good group of them out there that can create good teams after spending 800 mil.

  • goon replied to this.

      You have to giggle when mega genius Klopp had Salah and Mane forced on him when he actually wanted Brandt and Gotze instead. He won the lottery.

      HomeSteak

      You’ve been posting some real unhinged drivel recently.

      Some of you lot just need to admit you don’t like Arteta and never will and we can all stop going around in circles wasting each others time.

          RocktheCasbah it's not that short a time. Arteta celebrated 5 years in charge a few days ago. That's half a decade. No one's calling for his head but he's not beyond criticism either. The teams good now but we have fallen off a bit this season and we haven't won anything since the COVID season. Arteta took over a team that were 5th the season before and made it to a European final. It's not like we were where United are now. As much as things aren't so terrible they're not brilliant either. People just want us to take those steps to move us from nearly men to champions.

              Claudius It's part of the same dynamic. We play in a very plotted out, elaborate way that lets us dominate space and create overloads etc. Our players have become accustomed to intricate schemes and extreme attention to detail which manifests itself positively in things like set pieces. Against your typical team, we can be overwhelming and score 5-6 goals. But against a savvy coach who can set up an effective mid block (to stymie our possession play) or low block (to reduce space in the box), we can struggle to create chances from open play.

              So the fact that we score so many goals overall doesn't matter. The issue is with consistency in creating good attacking chances, which you need to consistently win games. We're better than Liverpool in some ways, I'm not saying the grass is greener with them, but it's clear when you watch them how complicated we make things sometimes. We need to have a capacity for simplicity, creativity, directness, exploiting the superior quality of our players, a bit of Wenger energy to be honest.

                  goon is it unhinged to say that 6 years and 1 billion I should expect him to win something? Lol When do you expect him to get his next trophy? Or is the delicate genius not to be bothered with stupid shit like winning

                  • goon replied to this.

                      Claudius As a fan base we are the ultimate grass is greener collective.

                      Interesting. If this is true it would seem that fans of teams that don't win trophies are somehow envious of the teams that do.

                        HomeSteak 229 goals in 373 appearances as a LW

                        Liverpool would be insane not to give him a new contract. He can play till he is 40.

                            Clrnc they'll be lost without him. It'd be like us losing Ode and Saka at the same time.

                              Clrnc

                              I have to admit I thought they were mad to give him a new deal last time, thought only way was down.

                              He’s been phenomenal this season.

                                Basically if we maintain the level we’re at we’ll win the league within the next 5 years. We are still improving too.

                                I’d also say that in my book we are favourites for the Champions League along with Madrid.

                                You know Ange is disrespected when week in week out every manager says how much they admire him and the football he plays. He is just not taken seriously.

                                Also this part that Slot said made me laugh so bad. "I am not one to question Ange and the results he is having. Afterall normally every manager, even at smaller clubs have a chance to win something. But he is at a club that in their history is used to not winning anything, so he should not be judged on that."

                                goon Some of you lot just need to admit you don’t like Arteta and never will and we can all stop going around in circles wasting each others time.

                                QFT

                                  Sky talking about Liverpools attacking options but really it's just Salah and Diaz. The rest of them have done fuck all. None of their other attackers have outscored Trossard for instance.

                                    Qwiss I thought Henry's analysis of them vs us was spot on in MNF.

                                    He says when he sees Liverpool he sees a team that tries to win it. When he see other teams, he see that they are mostly trying not to lose it.

                                        Clrnc I mean they're a bit more gung ho than we are but I don't think that's the real difference. Wait and see how Slot does playing like that next year without Salah. Arteta could do with loosening things sometimes but only sometimes. The way we play works for big games. We just need to exert more pressure on those low and mid block teams. I think this summers recruitment was a bigger issue than our play style.

                                          Qwiss right, but everyone sitting on this forum today talking about Liverpool demolishing Spurs and using it as a stick to beat Arteta with is ignoring two things in my view.

                                          1) we beat Crystal Palace 5-1 yesterday. It's the third time we've done this away from home in a month.

                                          2) when Arteta took over, WE were the team getting beaten 5-1 by Liverpool, by City.

                                          Arteta hasn't lost to City since April 2023, he hasn't lost to Liverpool in the league since before then, he hasn't lost to Chelsea since one of his first games here. Okay, we're still sketchy at Old Trafford for some reason, but we now go into big games and can look forward to them. Actually, we can look forward to all games with a degree of confidence.

                                          What was that thread we used to have "Arsenal, ruining weekends since..."?

                                          We've had three bad weekends this year. That's it. I want Arsenal to be better, I want us to go everywhere and dominate, but I can also see that Liverpool ruining Spurs weekends shouldn't be a stick to beat Arteta with.