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2024 US Election

Daz

These are actually the two guys vying for the most powerful position in the world. I watched the first half hour or so and neither of them managed to utter a single coherent sentence. And that's not even an exaggeration. It's just crazy beyond belief.

Burnwinter

Daz It's just crazy beyond belief.

Makes sense when you realise the people who are actually running things are basically going to loot the joint at zero risk over the next few decades.

Gazza M

goon reality appeared to start creeping in when the Biden team refused that softball superbowl interview. seems innocuous, but it's something most presidents have done, and it's a chance to get alot of eyeballs. they ducked it, and for the first time I started to detect rising unease among the corporate commentariat about bidens fitness, as well as an uptick in propaganda from the dems about how he was still sharp as a tack

goon

Gazza M

I mean if this is the reality they should have ducked the debates too. At least they would have had plausible deniability!

GooneriC

No difference between Genocide Joe and Trump. Both wings of the same bird.

JazzG

Mirth Is Kamala Harris that much worse?

Why do you think the Democrats are panicking?

TambourineMan At least we're seeing some honest reflection from the Dems post debate. They know Biden was awful. Let's see what they do now.

They've known for a long time but people around him have just strung this out longer than they should. I saw Biden's wife talking about him and she comes across as someone who isn't going to leave her position without a fight. She should be the one dragging him away and saying enough is enough.

JazzG

goon Biden hasn't been seen for a week, there were already rumours they were getting him mentally ready for this debate!

Farcical situation the Democrats have got themselves into. All of their own making as well. A good candidate here and they'd have been in for another 10 years.

mdgoonah41

if biden's true priority was the health of the country and "preserving democracy" he wouldnt have even run for re-election. he is a vain shithead, just like 99% of politicians.

the problem is, the democratic party is filled with weak, ineffective stooges who have zero backbone and zero courage. there wont be a goldwater moment here, with powerful dems going to biden and basically telling him its over and he needs to exit the race.

ultimately democrats are fine with losing in 2024. it will then give them what they want: a bogeyman for them to fight against as the minority, so they dont actually have to govern the country or try to solve any of the massive problems we face.

MistaT

mdgoonah41 — it’s a touch “chicken and egg” in that we don’t really know if Biden wanted to run, or if the DNC though he was the best candidate.

Regardless, whoever made the decision got it wrong.

The challenge is that the Dems need to find someone who can win the swing states. There’s little that unites Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, North Carolina, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. However, I’m not sure a gay nominee (no matter how qualified and intelligent both are) will resonate to moderate voters in most of those states. From there you look to Newsom or Whitmer, and neither feels that strong either.

mdgoonah41

lol SCOTUS just wiped out chevron deference, which is basically the first step in the republican plan to dismantle the federal government. this country, despite being less than 250 years old, is basically a hollowed out tree at this point. now just swing the axe a few times and the tree should fall. really dark times on the horizon

Coombs

mdgoonah41 there will obviously be consequences, potentially very damaging ones, but the technocrats that chevron deference enabled don't exactly embody my idea of good governance, either. There is a logic to the idea that bureacrats and cops should not be allowed to define the laws they enforce or execute. Theres no reason I can see that the judicial system can't avail themselves of the same expert opinions in the course of due process. Of course, it requires that we maintain an independent judiciary that isn't corrupt...

JazzG

mdgoonah41

Coombs what this decision does is essentially say that some lunatic on the 5th circuit is better equipped to set clean water standards than the EPA.

its going to be an unmitigated disaster

mdgoonah41

Qwiss

I've only watched a few clips but the 2 of them arguing about Bidens golf handicap was just insane.

mdgoonah41

MistaT newsom probably has the most name recognition nationally (not sure its good recognition) and i think shapiro would be maybe the best candidate on merits. hes got a good record here in PA

JazzG

Coombs I'm not too familiar with how it works in America and would need to read more into this but that would be my initial feelings as well.

MistaT From there you look to Newsom or Whitmer, and neither feels that strong either.

Bloody hell the options are bad man.

Coombs

mdgoonah41 I don't love what's happening, but this is a chicken little take. Interpretation of law is the job of the judiciary. I don't really see how this transfers any power from congress or any lawmaker - in fact, it seems to me it should do just the opposite. The executive branch gets hobbled, but that doesn't seem all that bad to me, especially considering who generally gets to be president...

mdgoonah41

Coombs there is nothing chicken little about it.

In Chevron, the court unanimously announced an important principle of law that governed the nation until Friday: When a federal statute is ambiguous, courts should defer to an agency’s reasonable interpretation of it. Why? Congress delegates countless important calls to agencies—directing the EPA, for instance, to limit harmful benzene emissions, rather than providing the precise formula to determine what level of benzene emissions is harmful to humans. Congress writes statutes broadly because it expects these agencies to respond to new facts and adjust their enforcement accordingly.

Crucially, these agencies are staffed with experts who have deep knowledge and experience in the area where Congress seeks to regulate. Such experts can understand and execute regulations more proficiently than federal judges, who are, at best, dilettantes in most fields of regulation. For example, an EPA scientist is unlikely to confuse nitrous oxide (laughing gas) with nitrogen oxide (a smog-causing emission), as Justice Neil Gorsuch did in a Thursday opinion blocking an EPA rule. Moreover, most agencies are staffed with political appointees whom the president can appoint and remove at will. That makes them far more accountable to the citizenry than federal judges, who are guaranteed life tenure no matter how badly they butcher the law.

Justice Elena Kagan’s dissent, joined by Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Ketanji Brown Jackson, is a masterwork of alarm and despair. “A rule of judicial humility,” she wrote, “gives way to a rule of judicial hubris.” The justice pulled no punches, bemoaning the majority’s reckless arrogance with outrage and contempt. “In one fell swoop,” the justice explained, “the majority today gives itself exclusive power over every open issue—no matter how expertise-driven or policy-laden—involving the meaning of regulatory law. As if it did not have enough on its plate, the majority turns itself into the country’s administrative czar."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/06/elena-kagan-dissent-supreme-court-john-roberts-chevron-disaster.html

mdgoonah41

and of course, this sums it up

Take a step back and consider how radically—and underhandedly—this Supreme Court is reshaping modern governance. By killing Chevron just one day after undermining agencies’ enforcement actions, the conservative supermajority is kneecapping the administrative state. It shares that goal with Steve Bannon, Donald Trump, and the far-right activists behind Project 2025. The Supreme Court is imposing a MAGA vision of the law on America, giving unelected judges near-unfathomable power to override the policy choices of the democratic branches. Through rulings dressed up in legalese, it strips power from the citizens and their elected representatives, establishing a monarchical judiciary with no known limits on its own authority. Anyone who cares about government of the people, by the people, for the people should share Kagan’s horror at what this court has wrought and what comes next

democrats are too cowardly to try and actually reform the court. republicans control the federal judiciary now, and likely will for the rest of this generation, if not longer. this ruling essentially puts every future democratic administration in a chokehold. attempt to put any kind of regulation in place the right disagrees with, and the court can step in and overrule them.

mdgoonah41

The implications of Loper Bright are too sweeping to exhaustively detail here, but its impact will be especially relevant in cases where, say, a federal agency is in Democratic hands, and a reviewing court is in conservative hands. How should “forever chemicals” be regulated? Don’t ask scientists who understand these chemicals’ harmful impacts on humans and the environment—ask Justice Neil Gorsuch, whose expertise is such that he recently authored an opinion about EPA regulation of “nitrogen oxides” while repeatedly referring to “nitrous oxide,” better known as laughing gas. How should geographic areas be defined for purposes of Medicare hospital reimbursements? Previously, that would have been a good question for the people running Medicare; now, it could fall to the likes of Judge Aileen Cannon. What regulations can the Occupational Safety and Health Administration issue to protect workers engaged in potentially dangerous work? That’s a fantastic decision not for regulators who have spent their careers dealing with actual workplace injuries, but for Judge Jim Ho, who is of the opinion that doctors experience an “aesthetic injury” when a woman gets an abortion.

https://ballsandstrikes.org/scotus/loper-bright-supreme-court-war-on-government-just-getting-started/

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